coach yells at opponent

Bart Tyson · #1 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 17, 2002, 03:21pm

college womens, i'm trail a few feet from the coach. His player is holding the ball. The girl guarding his player is in front of her. The coach is standing on sideline right next to them. All of a sudden he yells (real loud) "get your hands off", and the def. player puts her hand down. This all happened quickly. His player gets the ball, the def. player puts her hand( or fore arm ) on her and he yells. The ball gets passed. Now i'm next to him and i say coach she can do that. He didn't like that answer. Yells at me saying she can't, not when she is holding the ball. So i drop it until another trip when i'm standing next to him. I let him know the def. can measure up. Question, is the coach allowed to yell at the opponent?

DanIvey · #2 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 17, 2002, 03:35pm

Was the yelling at the opposing player an unsportsmanlike act?

If your answer is yes...you know the rule.

I would probably warn the coach of his actions and remind him that "he knows the rule" for unsportsmanlike conduct.

Dan

Mark Padgett · #3 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 17, 2002, 04:05pm

I think an appropriate comment to the coach at that point would have been, "We'll call the game, coach."

If that fails, puke on his shoes.

Oz Referee · #4 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 17, 2002, 05:23pm

Or in a Tarzan-like voice:

"Me Ref. You coach. Tweet......Technical!"

Doug · #5 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 17, 2002, 10:02pm

Mark,

I always get some cocky response, after I say that! Usually to coaches who appear to want a technical... still haven't figured that one out

Oz Referee · #6 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 17, 2002, 10:36pm

Doug/Mark,

I agree. I find this comment usually results in:
"Why don't you then?",
"that'd be nice", or
"Why start now"

These comments then result in a T, and everyone is unhappy.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. · #7 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 17, 2002, 11:27pm

This posting is a great example of why Barb Jacobs should be ashamed of herself for allowing an NBA/WNBA rule into the NCAA Women's Rules. Why does B1 have to deliberately touch A1 who has control of the ball? A1 is holding the ball and just standing and B1 has to touch A1. This is the type of nonsense rules that just promotes rough play. B1 does not need to touch A1 because A1 is standing right in front of her. A1 takes exception to being touched and slaps B1's hand away. You can see where I am going with this.

By the way Bart, girls play at high school basketball and women play college basketball. As someone, who officiated his first women's college game in November 1974, at the tender age of 23, all of today's players in any women's game I officiate are girls, but they are still women.

Hawks Coach · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 18, 2002, 08:02am

mark
Good points. What I don't understand is why anyone at a high of a level needs to touch the other player to "measure up?" Of coursethe other side is, the higher the level, the more contact is required before a highly skilled player is disadvantaged.

bob jenkins · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 18, 2002, 10:08am

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
This posting is a great example of why Barb Jacobs should be ashamed of herself for allowing an NBA/WNBA rule into the NCAA Women's Rules.

Mark --

Do you have an "in" with Barb? I ask because of a ruling she apparently / allegedly gave on the following play:

A1 holds the ball in A's backcourt. A1 passes the ball to A2 who is standing in A's front court. A2 isn[t looking at the ball. The ball hits A2 and bounds to A's backcourt where Ax recovers the ball.

Now, I'm sure all of us here would blow the whistle for a backcourt violation. Apparently, though, Barb ruled that this was not a violation because there was no control in the front court. (!?)

If you have an "in" with Barb, could you either (or both) confirm the ruling and help get the right ruling made.

Thanks.

Bart Tyson · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 18, 2002, 10:19am

Bob, can she back this up by the rules? I have to believe she made a mistake.

Hawks Coach · #11 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 18, 2002, 10:23am

It is an awful interpretation unless college women have a different rule in which player control must occur in front court for ball to be front court. They do have a no ten seconds rule, so you don't need to be concerned with dropping the count when the ball went front court and hit the player - is the b/c rule different as well?

Mark Dexter · #12 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 18, 2002, 10:40am

I think this is a definate screw-up. The backcourt violation rule is the same for men and women's NCAA. In fact, NCAA rules quite clearly state that the touching in FC/BC happens whether the touch is voluntary or involuntary (9-11-2).

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. · #13 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 18, 2002, 10:51am

Quote:

Originally posted by Hawks Coach
mark
Good points. What I don't understand is why anyone at a high of a level needs to touch the other player to "measure up?" Of coursethe other side is, the higher the level, the more contact is required before a highly skilled player is disadvantaged.

Why is it that the best players in the world get to make illegal contact to play the game. It seems to me that the better the player the less illegal contact so be required of them to play the game. Just a wild and wacky concept that I must be the only one has ever thought of.