Michigan joins the rest of us

[bgtg19]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Of course they did. That is all they know. If we use that argument and change the topic there are a lot of things those females would not be able to because that is the way they were raised.

Wow. "Those females," Jeff? Your patronizing attitude about females and your superior knowledge about what is good for them would make you fit right in with your brethren on the Supreme Court (read Justice Ginsberg's dissent in Gonzales v. Carhart for a well-crafted dismantling of your notions of females limited capacity to function in a world without your guidance and protection). Tsk, tsk.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by bgtg19

(read Justice Ginsberg's dissent in Gonzales v. Carhart for a well-crafted dismantling of your notions of females limited capacity to function in a world without your guidance and protection)

Wasn't that the case that decided women couldn't be prohibited from breast feeding in public during roller coaster rides?

[bgtg19]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Wasn't that the case that decided women couldn't be prohibited from breast feeding in public during roller coaster rides?

Nah, it was the case that decided that women couldn't be trusted to make medical decisions in consultation with their physicians....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bgtg19

Nah, it was the case that decided that women couldn't be trusted to make medical decisions in consultation with their physicians....

What in the hell does that have to do with this discussion? This is a sport which no one is privileged to play. There are college scholarships at stake and I am sure nothing will change because seasons do.

Guess what, you can throw all the barbs out there, it is going to change anyway. Get used to it or get out. It really is that simple.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bgtg19

Wow. "Those females," Jeff? Your patronizing attitude about females and your superior knowledge about what is good for them would make you fit right in with your brethren on the Supreme Court (read Justice Ginsberg's dissent in Gonzales v. Carhart for a well-crafted dismantling of your notions of females limited capacity to function in a world without your guidance and protection). Tsk, tsk.

Patronizing???

It sounds to me like we have a lot of males upset that their lives are going to be altered because girl's basketball is being moved (e.g. less big games). I think my record of equality and standing for equality is long documented on this site. If anything you sound like the old segregationist that complain that things should stay the same because that is the way we have always done it. Not that anyone here is a student and has to make college choices based on this factor. And from what I understand this was more of a volleyball lawsuit than one from the basketball side. I did not play volleyball and I do not understand the culture of volleyball. I am sure some of this debate rests in that level of understand. But we are on a basketball board and I have yet to hear anything that is solid other than opinions and “I think it is a bad idea.”

When I asked you a very fair question you tried to hide behind the argument by saying it was too complicated. You still have not said why this is a bad thing.

Also for the record, if my state tomorrow changed the girl's season to the fall, it would not change my life one bit. I do not work girl's basketball and it certainly would not want to work another sport during the football season. I do not work volleyball for the very same reason.

I do always find it funny the very people that are never subject to discrimination are always the people trying to claim "discrimination" is situations it does not apply.

Peace

[bgtg19]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It sounds to me like we have a lot of males upset that their lives are going to be altered because girl's basketball is being moved.

I am not upset that my life will be altered (as I indicated, the change is preferable to me), but I do think the court issued a decision that was wrongly decided. To be sure, some people just don't like change. And, to be sure, Michigan will be able to adjust.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think my record of equality and standing for equality is long documented on this site.

We can certainly agree that your record is long documented on this site. As for the characterization of your record, we'll have to agree to disagree.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If anything you sound like the old segregationist that complain that things should stay the same because that is the way we have always done it. Not that anyone here is a student and has to make college choices based on this factor.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Also for the record, if my state tomorrow changed the girl's season to the fall, it would not change my life one bit. I do not work girl's basketball and it certainly would not want to work another sport during the football season.

Thank you for this significant contribution you make to the quality of life of high school female athletes.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do always find it funny the very people that are never subject to discrimination are always the people trying to claim "discrimination" is situations it does not apply.

I agree that it is too bad when people claim discrimination where it does not exist. For example, the parents who started the whole "change of seasons" lawsuit. But I am not claiming any kind of discrimination here. The parents were not attempting to unlawfully "discriminate" against me or others. The court, in its decision, is not "discriminating" against girls or boys or hermaphrodites. The fact that girls and boys will play basketball in the same season is not, in my opinion, a form of unlawful discrimination (nor was it unlawful discrimination, in my opinion, for girls and boys to play in different seasons). I do think girls experience unlawful discrimination in educational athletics more than boys. But I don't see any "discrimination" in the court's ruling or the fact that Michigan is having to make adjustments. It just is what it is. As truerookie points out, we'll just live with it. And we'll be fine. (In that, I agree with you Jeff.)

Although I am not here claiming any discrimination in this discussion, I do claim every right to point out discrimination. And I caution you Jeff to not conclude (based on, what, message board postings?!) that someone else has never experienced discrimination. You don't know my "characteristics" and my experiences. You just make lots of assumptions about them.

I'm done in this thread....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bgtg19

Although I am not here claiming any discrimination in this discussion, I do claim every right to point out discrimination. And I caution you Jeff to not conclude (based on, what, message board postings?!) that someone else has never experienced discrimination. You don't know my "characteristics" and my experiences. You just make lots of assumptions about them.

I'm done in this thread....

Once again your post says volumes. Unless you are a lawyer or unless your kids are greatly affected, why are you *****ing about it? Get over it; it is going to happen no matter what you or I personally think one way or another. If there was no discrimination, then you would be playing basketball this fall. I do not claim to know everything about this case. I do not that the same issues you guys keep complaining about are the very same issues the rest of the country had to deal with. And as truerookie said, this is not our issue anyway.

Peace

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by bgtg19

The court, in its decision, is not "discriminating" against girls or boys or hermaphrodites.

Great - that's all we need - a third group of teams. Does this mean all the schools are going to have to build more locker rooms?

Also - are we now going to have "Joan Diebler" references?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Great - that's all we need - a third group of teams. Does this mean all the schools are going to have to build more locker rooms?

Also - are we now going to have "Joan Diebler" references?

Something told me this was coming.

Peace

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Something told me this was coming.

Peace

You know me too well, buddy. I guess us Chicago boys can read each other's minds - such as they are. BTW - I think you said you grew up in "rural" Illinois. What HS did you attend? I went to Bloom in Chicago Heights. Our two most famous alumni (besides me, of course) are author and former major league World Series winner Jim Bouton and sports impresario Jerry Colangelo.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

You know me too well, buddy. I guess us Chicago boys can read each other's minds - such as they are. BTW - I think you said you grew up in "rural" Illinois. What HS did you attend? I went to Bloom in Chicago Heights. Our two most famous alumni (besides me, of course) are author and former major league World Series winner Jim Bouton and sports impresario Jerry Colangelo.

I attended Macomb High School. We were called the Bombers because an alumnus was in the plane that dropped the Atomic Bomb (or one of) on Japan in WWII.

The college that I attended is the only one named the Leathernecks after the Marine Corp.

Now you are from the Washington area. A former Seattle Mariner was from my HS. Phil Bradley.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bgtg19

Wow. "Those females," Jeff? Your patronizing attitude about females and your superior knowledge about what is good for them would make you fit right in with your brethren on the Supreme Court (read Justice Ginsberg's dissent in Gonzales v. Carhart for a well-crafted dismantling of your notions of females limited capacity to function in a world without your guidance and protection). Tsk, tsk.

Did you just use "Ginsberg" and "well crafted dissent" in the same sentence? Hmmm.