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[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Note to newer officials. These are the things you can only get away with if you're assigning your own rec league games; or have become a rec league legend. Don't try this in real games.

Okay smarta$$, why don't you tell the new officials how much time you would put back on the clock.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

Okay smarta$$, why don't you tell the new officials how much time you would put back on the clock.

Only what you see tick off after you blow the whistle. If you blow your whistle, and look up and see the clock shows 2.8 seconds, you set the clock to 2.8 seconds. If you look up and see 1.2 seconds, that's what you set it to. If, by the time you look up, it shows zero, then the game is over.

Anything else is guessing, and guessing isn't allowed.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

Okay smarta$$, why don't you tell the new officials how much time you would put back on the clock.

Yo, new officials......

Always put time back on the clock according to the rules. Specifically use rules 5-10-1&2. Also refer to casebook plays 5.10.1SitA,B,C&D and 5.10.2 for further information.

Ignore the RecLeague Ronny's who don't know or understand the basic rules(for any level), mainly because they don't own the appropriate rules and case books.

Always glad to help real officials, Old School.

[Adam]

Oh, he was talking to you? I get so confused in these discussions.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Only what you see tick off after you blow the whistle. If you blow your whistle, and look up and see the clock shows 2.8 seconds, you set the clock to 2.8 seconds. If you look up and see 1.2 seconds, that's what you set it to. If, by the time you look up, it shows zero, then the game is over.

Anything else is guessing, and guessing isn't allowed.

Well, I'm not quite so sure it's guessing but I can certainly count one second in my head. If, in a last second situation, I may not have the time to look up at the clock before the horn blows or it takes a second after I made the call to turn my head to the clock. Again, I can count a second in my head. And then i can divide a second in half to half a second. In any event, i know there's time left, I just don't know how much. Since we're working with a second, I don't see your point. I call it a calculated response, not a guess and I don't think either sides will argue my reasoning. However, there will be controversy if you don't put some time back on the clock. Saying you didn't see the clock so therefore the game is over is not gonna fly, not even in my so-called rec league games.

I'm just keeping it real dawg....some people don't like the truth, some people can't handle the truth. Which one or you? The truth is, refereeing is not a perfect science.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Always glad to help real officials, Old School.

No problem JRat....

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Oh, he was talking to you? I get so confused in these discussions.

Sorry. I saw the "smart azz" and I just assumed he was talking to me.

Just kidding also.....

It's getting to be almost a full time job following this goober around and correcting his drivel, on the faint chance that some newbie might actually believe that he might even have the slightest clue about what he's discussing. I blame McGriffs for shutting down and forcing it's JMO to find new fields to conquer.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

some people don't like the truth, some people can't handle the truth.

You forgot a couple. Some people can't recognize the truth. Some people can't speak the truth.

The truth is, if you try guessing on how much time to put back, you're going to be in just as much trouble as if you don't put any time back on here. And you can bet your a$$ someone will challenge your reasoning if they know the rules. I'd much rather have the rules to back up my decision than some half-a$$ logic that includes the phrase "calculated response" as a euphemism for "best guess."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Sorry. I saw the "smart azz" and I just assumed he was talking to me.

In all fairness to you, it's a logical assumption.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

In any event, i know there's time left, I just don't know how much.

I call it a calculated response, not a guess and I don't think either sides will argue my reasoning. However, there will be controversy if you don't put some time back on the clock.

He admits that he doesn't know how much time ran off, but he gonna put time back on the clock anyway. But, the time that he puts back on the clock is NOT a guess even though he didn't know how much time was left.

O-kaaaaay........

That's on p.75 of the Basketball Rulebook For Silly Monkeys, for those keeping track.

Carry on, Snaqs. I'm gonna go water my dogs.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

In all fairness to you, it's a logical assumption.

Well, yeah.....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Carry on, Snaqs. I'm gonna go water my dogs.

Sorry, my Mom's driving in from out of state, my daughter has soccer practice (against my better judgment), and in two minutes this bank I work for is going to stop paying me for today.

What, you thought I was doing this for free?

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You forgot a couple. Some people can't recognize the truth. Some people can't speak the truth.

No I didn't but this does describe a lot of you. Can't recognize the truth, you hit it on the head.

The truth is, if you try guessing on how much time to put back, you're going to be in just as much trouble as if you don't put any time back on here. And you can bet your a$$ someone will challenge your reasoning if they know the rules.

And you can bet your a$$ they're going to lose that challenge. Who is going to challenge that? The coaches? Okay, let's play this out. 2 seconds left in one point game, B is down but with the ball. APTI at the baseline. TI to B3 who catches, turns and immedately shoots, and is fouled by A5. While the ball is in the air, buzzer sounds. I make the call but in order to make sure I got the right player on the foul, I stay focus on the action. Outcome: we gonna shoot 2 shots, put 1 second back on the clock.

Who's going to argue that one second? Team A cocah. I don't think so. He's not gonna say nothing because if the guy makes the FT, he's got a second to try to win the game back. What about Team B's coach. Guaranteed he ain't gonna say nothing because he's too focused on the 2 FT that if he makes he might win the game. (RECONGNIZE) But let's just say B's coach was to complain and say that you didn't look at the clock so therefore, there should be no time left because he knows the rule. What do i say, there's one second left coach. Coach repeats himself and I repeat myself, there's one second left, how far to you want to push this. Coach B; we'll take that and the 2 FT'S to potentially win the game. Let's just play it out though. Team A inboundds and scores 3 point shot to win the game. Coach B files a complain to my assigner that we guessed at the time put back on the clock. We review the tape. Tape don't lie, at the time of the foul, remember, we're talking 2 seconds on the clock, the clock shows .08 sec. left instead of the 1 sec. You see, at best I can only be off less than a second. A calculated yet educated, intellectual, interplantary, extra-ordinary response. Recongize and accept the truth young man as it will set you free.

Another point that you should recognize, coaches job is to coach, referee's job is to referee. I don't tell you how to coach, you don't tell me how much time to put back on the clock. It's my job to know and the fact that I don't have to look at it to tell is the truth. Just like if there's 3 seconds left to go in the game and the clock never starts. No worry, I can count 3 seconds in my head, we're not replaying anything. Games over.

[lmeadski]

As a practicing coach and ref, and having followed this entire thread, is it any wonder why refs get puffy when coaches get mad at refs!?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

2 seconds left in one point game, B is down but with the ball. APTI at the baseline. TI to B3 who catches, turns and immedately shoots, and is fouled by A5. While the ball is in the air, buzzer sounds. I make the call but in order to make sure I got the right player on the foul, I stay focus on the action. Outcome: we gonna shoot 2 shots, put 1 second back on the clock.

Sigh....and we just had a long thread on this exact same play also.

As usual, Old School is completely wrong. And , as usual also, he hasn't learned a damn thing from previous threads.

B3 gets 2 FT's with no time put back on the clock and no one lined up along the lanes.
- if B3 makes both FT's, the game is over with team B winning by one point.
- If B3 makes 1 out 2 FT's, the game is tied and you play OT.
- If B3 misses both FT's, the game is over with team A winning by 1 point.

See rule 5-6-2EXCEPTION3 and case book play 5.6.2SitG.

Silly freaking monkey.