Minor quibble, but I'm pretty sure that one is written.

It's because they take the game into consideration. They also learn from previous expereinced that certain things don't work. Like for instance, if I blow my whistle, and a split second later the horn goes off to end the game. 1 second or less or not, the game is not over because my whistle blew before the horn went off. Simple. Federation says if one second or less game is over. So you want to have my account deleted because I say, put the .9 back on the clock because I have definite knowledge that the game is not over. You want me to turn my head and enforce the rulebook, even though we all know this is wrong. Better yet, do you recall a time when a black woman was put in jail for sitting in the front of the bus. The law states and we just enforce the rules.

You're calling for my account to be deleted. Isn't that like punishment by hanging. And what did I do wrong again. Oh, that's right. I put .9 back on the clock because i had definite knowledge. Okay, I'm a year ahead of my time, the rule didn't change until this season. I would have bet my life that i could do this, I'm the referee. Trying to say that i made this up as I went alone is wrong. I did not know that was there. The arguement that I am making up my own rules is propaganda. I was shocked after JR printed the rule, and equally impressed that the NBA has addressed it.

Last, as far as people being kicked out. I have no facts to add, just the end results tells me that the comittee is not listing nor addressing things that need to be addressed. The bridge is going to collapse in the Fed. because they are not listening to the voices telling them we got major problems here. Just fix the loopholes and quite worrying about everyone doing it the same. Everybody will caught up once you bring the rules up to 2007. I'm sorry to have to break this to you old-farks, but one-day, you're going to go to a HS game, and wonder, what ruleset they are playing under because it won't be the Fed. Vegas is using a shot-clock for there hs games. The problem is the world is changing, Fed is staying the same. We know a lot more today then we did yesterday, but we are still under the same old outdated code. BTW, we got the APTI changed, that certainly took us in the right direction.

For an example of "hyperbole," please see the following:
Or, for a further example, there's this little comparison to the rules of basketball:

Good grief, we don't "all know this is wrong." Are you accusing everyone on this board of compromising their moral values because they don't do it your way? Weird.

So reseting or not reseting the clock according to the rules is the same as forcing black folk to sit in the back of the bus!?!? Give me a break.

No, it's not like punishment by hanging. Punishment by hanging is fatal. No one is trying to kill you, OS. No one is calling for your account to be deleted because we disagree with your opinions. We are calling for your account to be deleted because so much of what you post would be confusing or downright misleading to people who don't have a pretty solid grounding in officiating. What you've done wrong is to continuously state things positively when they are clearly wrong, and to say many many things for which you have absolutely no evidence. Like that the NFHS kicks out anyone who disagrees with them, as in...

In your opinion. You're extrapolating out from your own little black hole into the big wide open spaces.

What major problems would those be?

What in the world does that mean?

Lots of high school associations use the shot-clock. So what?

in your opinion

"We" got the APTI changed? Huh? What in the world are you talking about?

2006-07 Rule Change ???
 

From Old School: "If I blow my whistle, and a split second later the horn goes off to end the game. 1 second or less or not, the game is not over because my whistle blew before the horn went off. Simple. Federation says if one second or less game is over."

2006-07 NFHS Rule Revision: 5-10-1, Lag Time Eliminated: "The referee may put the exact time observed by an official back on the game clock. When an official has definite knowledge relative to the time involved, he or she should have the ability to put the correct time on the game clock"

So in this case, if an official observed 0.5 seconds on the game clock when the whistle blew, he or she can put 0.5 seconds back on the clock. So according to the Federation, it's not as simple as Old School implies, and the game may, or may not be over. Also, if no official has definite knowledge of the clock when the whistle blew, and if the whistle was blown for a foul, and if foul shots are to be taken, and if those foul shots will impact the game, they are taken, and the game may not be over, the team behind can end up winning, or the game can go into overtime. As Yogi Berra said "It ain't over till it's over" and basketball rules are never as simple as they appear.

Statements like "Federation says if one second or less game is over" could lead to some confusion amoung nonofficials and new officials who visit this Forum. I wish that posters would be more careful about such statements which could lead to some rule myths and confusion.

I'm sure OS's supervisors don't care if he bets on the rec league games he works. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra.../smilielol.gif

Wow. Can anyone imagine what that would look like?

Lot's of pictures.

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No, but suggesting that I turn my head and say the game is over when I know there should be time left on the clock, I even have definite knowledge of how much it is, is wrong. The problem is you disagree with me and tell me I’m bad for business when all I’m doing is standing up for what I believe is right. The rule before this season was wrong, and this law before it was changed was wrong. That is the similarity. Better yet, here is a better similarity that will drive the point home. A white bus driver picks up a black women on her way home from work from well to do neighborhood, she’s tired and sits down in the front of the bus. White bus driver thinks that’s a dumb-a$$ law and continues on driving the bus with the black women sitting in the front. Later, another employee sees this and calls for the bus driver to be fired because he’s not enforcing the law. The difference here is before 2006 season, I was ignorant of the rule and I've admitted that several times.

The question everyone here has to ask themselves. Is the bus driver bad for business? Would you turn him in? Would you call for his account to be deleted?

Edit to add that last question.

Based your own statements, you're wanting to do this even when you don't have "definite knowledge" of how much time it is. If you haven't seen the clock, how can you claim to have "definite knowledge?" Oh, that's right, you're willing to make a calculated estimate. If you don't see the clock, you don't have definite knowlege.

Problem here is you are your own worse enemy. The more you try and make me look like idiot referee, the more I try to point out the flaws in the Fed. code which we all know there is plenty.

New officials, old officials don’t put down one another because they disagree or have a different opinion. Where we disagree is that you feel that what I write is bad for business. I feel that (what you write) you and your personal assaults on other referees character on this forum is bad for business. Neither should be put in front of the novice official. But you can't help yourself, can you. I think it's in the water, but some say that JR spiked the kool-aid.

The way most of you approach officiating is that you can’t have an opinion, you can’t think for yourself, and you better not make a mistake. You just read the book and follow what the book tells you to do. I am against the thought of producing rulebook robots. I want new officials to know that it’s okay to have an opinion. Question everything that you don’t understand. One day, and it’s bound to happen if you keep refereeing. One day you’re going to be faced with making a decision that you’re not quite sure of. You don’t have the rulebook in front of you to refer too. You got to go for what you know. Okay, so you kicked the call by rule. The point is, life goes on after you kicked the call. The point is, I did what I thought at the time was the right thing to do. Therefore, if it cost me my DI assignment, or my NBA job, whatever! I can still go home and sleep good at night because in my heart I did what I thought was the right thing. That is the point.

This is wrong Snaqs. There is a case play that the referee doesn't have to see the clock to make a ruling.

Some things never change.
 

Can you show that casebook play? I am sure there is a reference somewhere.

Peace

Is this a Fed case play? NCAA? NBA?