Duke v.GaTech (long)

[crew]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dan_ref

I didn't see that play so maybe you need to help me a bit.
L had block, C had charge? They got together to discuss?
C went to table with block call? Is this what happened?
(BTW, does espnc plan on rebroadcasting it again? Not sure
this one goes down as a "classic"! )

my bad dan_ref, i was not very clear in my post. the slot called offensive foul and the lead called block. they did not get together and go double foul, which is what is supposed to be done by rule. it was very obvious that the lead called block!

[toddwar]

I'm going to throw my 2 cents in as a neutral observer sitting far away. On the international level, there is almost vitually no parallel that I know of to the coaches being involved in evaluations or nominations - perhaps in some cases informally, but certainly not formally. The only exception is possibly in the Euroleague, where coaches opinions are being sought with regard to the manner in which the game should be called, and supposedly they have some effect on the evaluation process - although I haven't felt it yet.

Morevoer, we see a lot of games here on cable/satellite, including NCAA games. I am frankly appalled at the extent to which coaches are often 3-5 feet inside the court, whether they are simply coaching or ranting and raving. Calhoun at UConn particularly sticks out in my mind (if only we saw in Israel a lot of UConn games when Henefeld and Sheffer played there) and don't even get me started on that Huggins fella at Cincinatti. It's not clear to me how he lasts much longer than the tip-off.

Coach K's actions inciting the crowd - if correct - are really over the top. He'd last about 6 seconds with a lot of referees over on this side of the ocean. After coaches' boxes were installed, the Italians had a rule for awhile that if you came out of the box - for any reason whatsoever (except to go to the scorer's table per rule) - you were going to get T'ed. Believe me, those coaches adjusted real fast!

[Hawks Coach]

Originally posted by toddwar


Coach K's actions inciting the crowd - if correct - are really over the top. He'd last about 6 seconds with a lot of referees over on this side of the ocean. After coaches' boxes were installed, the Italians had a rule for awhile that if you came out of the box - for any reason whatsoever (except to go to the scorer's table per rule) - you were going to get T'ed. Believe me, those coaches adjusted real fast!

1. From the first line of your post, it appears that you did not see the game and witness the incident. Drake thought of it as inciting, and I believe he has allowed that it could be interpreted otherwise. Obviously, the referees who were present also saw it in another way because they did not call it as such.

2. Coach K received a T immediately when he was over the top on dissent, and went out a couple of steps on the court to express himself. the refs did not allow him to rule over them, they took charge. They had also called an intentional foul on an iffy play against the home team. clearly, they were able to handle the hostile environment and call the game the way they saw that they needed to, without regard to the fact that the best coach in college ball was on playing on the loudest home court around.

3. I don't honestly know if your refs over there would have consider this incident worth a second T (remember, he just got Td up). I think that our refs are going to be more cautious with a second T than with a first (for obvious reasons). I think they are going to make sure that there is clear cause to eject a coach, especially at the 15 minute mark (give or take) of the first half. They are going to be cautious about giving 2 Ts for one incident, but will not hesitate to do so if a coach cannot let go of something. This situation was borderline if anything, and over here, a borderline T will not be a second T, and certainly not a second T for the same incident. This is generally true with all higher level refs, but especially in a conference like the ACC where everything is scrutinized and the stakes are highest.

In other words, if Caoch K crosses clear lines and you gotta T him a second time, you do so without hesitation. But if he is near the line and not clearly over it, it's not a good idea to toss him. If he wants to be ejected, he'll continue and it will be more obvious than ever that you need to WHACK him. If he stops, it is pretty obvious that your first T did the job and you didn't need to send him home early.