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[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Had a play where two players are going for an airborne ball. They both jumped in the air to get it and they hit each other, both crashing to the ground. Neither one ended up with the ball and both sides were yelling for a foul.

Coach is in my ear and I said to him, "what did the other player do that was illegal?" Coach shut up after hearing that. Not all train wrecks are fouls, but I think greater than half are.

I think that Scrappy is talking about where there is a train wreck in a block/charge situation. Iow, the offensive player has the ball. That is a situation where a lot of evaluators like to see a call of some kind.

Two players going after a loose ball and colliding is a whole different kinda train wreck.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Had a play where two players are going for an airborne ball. They both jumped in the air to get it and they hit each other, both crashing to the ground. Neither one ended up with the ball and both sides were yelling for a foul.

Coach is in my ear and I said to him, "what did the other player do that was illegal?" Coach shut up after hearing that. Not all train wrecks are fouls, but I think greater than half are.

This is the one exception. Any other time where you have a big collision, we need to have a whistle.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

but then again NBA guys have more accountabilitY.

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

But this is not the reason for your previous statement. The reason NCAA officials have more bad no-calls is that they're trained that way. If you don't KNOW, don't blow. It's not because they're not held accountable, it's because they taught that their bad calls should be no-calls. When you don't blow the whistle, the game goes on. But when you blow the whistle and you're wrong, the whole game stops, everybody looks at you and you give everybody a chance to chirp at you. You might not agree with that philosophy, but that's what's taught. Of course, they want to get it right every time, but we all know that's impossible. So if you're going to make mistakes, it's better (in the NCAA's thinking) to keep the game moving.

I think you will find that with everything being taped and passed along to assignors, that way of thinking is changing. "The subs deserve the same officiating as the starters got".

Great discussion guys after my #139 post. Scrapper1, thank you for this anology. It makes a lot of sense, and I think it is being deployed in the NBA as well. But just like BTaylor said, because the NBA looks at every play/call/no-call, NBA officials are under bigger scrutiny. It is still worth reading to me because it strengthens my belief that if you are not sure, you got no call. Better to let the game continue on then to reach and be wrong. I must admit, I have been there where the game was faster than I could keep up with. Maybe that's what happened in the Spurs-Suns game, but the fact that it happened more often than not, leaves a bad impression on the NBA officials.

One note Scrapper1, that can not go unchallenged. If any NCAA crew continues to miss calls, like in the Spurs-Suns series. They will be in deep do-do. We can let one or two go by, but it needs to stay at a relatively low number. What happened in the championship NCAA Men's game, is the officials got lucky. One team was way better than the other. It gave them room for error, and there was plenty. However, if that game would have been close, it would have been a completely different story with the NCAA officials on that game.