FBI investigating NBA ref

Dan_ref · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 02:22pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy

What do I win?

You win a relaxing drive into the country with these guys.

Bring your shovel, you'll need it.

M&M Guy · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 02:25pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Bring your shovel, you'll need it.

Oh, I always keep one with me. It comes in handy wading through some of the posts around here...

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. · #3 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 03:02pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref

You win a relaxing drive into the country with these guys.

Bring your shovel, you'll need it.

Hey, thats a great picture of my cousins from Youngstown, Ohio. They are great guys and lots of fun to be with.

MTD, Sr.

jfurdell · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 05:43pm

From the covers link posted before, his games did hit the "over" on the over-under bets more often than you would expect. Maybe he was betting the over and then calling a tight game to get more shooters on the foul line and the clock stopped...?

Adam · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 05:49pm

Note to that certain someone, this is what happens when officials have a "vested interest" in the outcome of a game; and why I strongly avoid using the term.

blindzebra · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 06:08pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Hey, thats a great picture of my cousins from Youngstown, Ohio. They are great guys and lots of fun to be with.

MTD, Sr.

Fun, you calling them a bunch of clowns? You saying they are all haha, they amuse you?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. · #7 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 10:18pm

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Fun, you calling them a bunch of clowns? You saying they are all haha, they amuse you?

That is not a very good attitude to have. If you don't watch it, they might make you an offer you can't refuse.

MTD, Sr.

Texas Aggie · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 11:02pm

Here's what I don't get: being under the influence of the mob (for gambling debts, etc.) and betting on games are 2 different things. If the former, why bet on games, and how could he if he's in debt? If only the latter, what does the mob have to do with it and why would he do something that could be found out so easily?

My guess is that he was betting, but instead of being in debt, he was being blackmailed by hte mob.

Either way, he's been doing this for over 2 years and the NBA just found out about it? He worked a few first round playoff games for heaven's sakes!! What the hell are they paying their security people to do?

canuckrefguy · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 11:59pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/21/sp...=5070&emc=eta1

johnny1784 · #10 (**permalink**) Sun Jul 22, 2007, 04:06am

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Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/21/sp...=5070&emc=eta1

Interesting but read this...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...whistle-3.html

Adam · #11 (**permalink**) Sat Jul 21, 2007, 05:38pm

Most likely, he made some bets and his bookie allowed him to leverage some of his gambling activity. Knowing he is an official, they probably let him rack up a pretty substantial debt level. Now, they have him over a barrel. His best shot now is state evidence.

Sing like a canary, Tim; sing like a canary.

The evidence had better be pretty clear, or Stern has an apology to make at some point in the future.

JRutledge · #12 (**permalink**) Sun Jul 22, 2007, 01:08am

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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

Here's what I don't get: being under the influence of the mob (for gambling debts, etc.) and betting on games are 2 different things. If the former, why bet on games, and how could he if he's in debt? If only the latter, what does the mob have to do with it and why would he do something that could be found out so easily?

My guess is that he was betting, but instead of being in debt, he was being blackmailed by hte mob.

Either way, he's been doing this for over 2 years and the NBA just found out about it? He worked a few first round playoff games for heaven's sakes!! What the hell are they paying their security people to do?

You make an interesting point. NBA officials are scrutinized on every single call and every single possible call. If a person screws up constantly, they will get rid of them. They certainly will not work playoff games for making several mistakes. Something about this just does not sound right and this was said by a very well respected official when he commented on the situation today. I guess anything is possible, but 2 years seems like a long time and a lot of calls for the NBA to call bogus.

Peace

Jurassic Referee · #13 (**permalink**) Sun Jul 22, 2007, 05:48am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

NBA officials are scrutinized on every single call and every single possible call. If a person screws up constantly, they will get rid of them. They certainly will not work playoff games for making several mistakes. Something about this just does not sound right and this was said by a very well respected official when he commented on the situation today. I guess anything is possible, but 2 years seems like a long time and a lot of calls for the NBA to call bogus.

Yabut......foul calls are subjective as hell in the NBA, given the amount of constant contact. Anyone evaluating those calls, or non-calls, has to be completely subjective also when deciding whether a good call was made or not. Geeze, I can't figure out what criteria is currently being used to call fouls consistently anyway in the NBA. I can see how an official could sneak in enough calls or non-calls to keep a game either inside or outside the line. Iow, they don't have to make a game-deciding call which would probably be scrutinized heavier, just enough calls to keep the game where they want it in relation to the line.

I agree that something doesn't sound right, but that something might just be the NBA evaluation system.

Thoughts?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. · #14 (**permalink**) Fri Jul 20, 2007, 10:16pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Hey, thats a great picture of my cousins from Youngstown, Ohio. They are great guys and lots of fun to be with.

MTD, Sr.

I forgot to add, that not only are they fun guys to be with, when they are one of the best three man officiating crews in NE Ohio and when they take a contract you know that a coach is going to get whacked.

MTD, Sr.