FBI investigating NBA ref - Page 12

Jimgolf · #**166** (**permalink**) Thu Jul 26, 2007, 10:23am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old School

Moderators, it should be illegal to continuously personally attack others on this forum.

It should be illegal to post incorrect information as well. Perhaps you would be better served by lurking instead of posting, unless you are willing to tell the truth about your alleged calls - the level of the game, your actual role, etc.

Please note that any personal attacks that are not related to a post are in fact deleted. However, no one should be allowed to believe that you have ever actually officiated a game other than possibly an intramural or rec league game, and no one should be permitted to follow your advice about anything, unless you post about fantasy officiating. While JR may be caustic in his criticisms, disinformation has to be pointed out immediately.

Why do you bother, anyway? Isn't life too short to pretend to be an official and post fabricated situations?

Old School · #**167** (**permalink**) Thu Jul 26, 2007, 10:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Had a play where two players are going for an airborne ball. They both jumped in the air to get it and they hit each other, both crashing to the ground. Neither one ended up with the ball and both sides were yelling for a foul.

Coach is in my ear and I said to him, "what did the other player do that was illegal?" Coach shut up after hearing that. Not all train wrecks are fouls, but I think greater than half are.

This is the one exception. Any other time where you have a big collision, we need to have a whistle.

btaylor64 · #**168** (**permalink**) Thu Jul 26, 2007, 10:28am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I don't think it's about being aggressive or not, personally. I think it's about getting plays right.

Let me explain what I mean by that comment:

I'm at a college camp and we are in transition. I am going slot to slot opposite table and the ball is coming down the court just outside the opposite lane line from me. Well the kid gets to the hole and the defender takes a swipe at it and misses and whacks the kid right in the head. Well I wait for a whistle from lead and nothing comes. Well I blow the foul after no response from L (the ball goes in which makes it look like he doesn't get hit). I was 100% that he got hit. Well the clinician comes out and says that both the L and the T didn't see anything so why was I reaching? I was reaching cause I know with no doubt in my mind the kid got hit. I went and asked the kid just after the hoop if he got hit in the head and his exact words were, "Quite hard actually".

My point to that is the clinician was telling me to leave my partners out to dry on a play that I knew was a foul. Essentially he was telling me to let him "live or die with it" which is a philosophy I use in very rare circumstances if at all. I want to do what is right for the game, my crew, and lastly myself and in that order. I believe doing anything else or any other way is doing a disservice.

Jurassic Referee · #**169** (**permalink**) Thu Jul 26, 2007, 10:29am

Quote:

Originally Posted by btaylor64

P.S. I'm whacking the kid if the ball doesn't go in when I believe it had a chance to. I then go tell the coach that i judged that he wasn't making a legit attempt to block the ball.

You might really be surprised as to what I know about you, Ben.

And the statement above is exactly why I can't take you seriously. Its a complete waste of time talking to you and it has been since you started posting here. You're already positive that you know everything there is to know about basketball officiating. Except for maybe some basic rules, of course.

You're just another Old School imo. Another rec league warrior who's never done a meaningful game in their life.

Old School · #**170** (**permalink**) Thu Jul 26, 2007, 10:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

It should be illegal to post incorrect information as well. Perhaps you would be better served by lurking instead of posting, unless you are willing to tell the truth about your alleged calls - the level of the game, your actual role, etc.

I have never claimed to be god's gift to officiating. Where you state I have posted bad info, I have simply posted my opinion. Maybe what I should do is put a disclaimer on all my posts. I will do that for you and this point. I will say something like info is not verified or maybe inaccurate with the actual rulebook. Would that help?

Quote:

Why do you bother, anyway? Isn't life too short to pretend to be an official and post fabricated situations?

Isn't life too short to hate on people you don't know. Certainly, you got to have more going on in your life then to worry about me.

Scrapper1 · #**171** (**permalink**) Thu Jul 26, 2007, 10:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Well the clinician comes out and says that both the L and the T didn't see anything so why was I reaching?

Ok, here's my clinician story from one of my very first camps.

I'm Lead. Ball swings quickly to the Center and A1 immediately drives to the basket. B1 gets a good piece of A1's arm on the shot. No whistle from the C. Clearly outside my primary, so I let it go. Here's my conversation with the observer:

Him: Whose call was that?
Me: The Center.
Him: Right. Did he have a call?
Me: No.
Him: Right. Did the kid get fouled?
Me: Yes.
Him: Right. What should you have done?
Me: Call the foul?
Him: (Patted me on the shoulder).

So it varies from clinician to clinician. Big surprise, right?

btaylor64 · #**172** (**permalink**) Thu Jul 26, 2007, 10:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You might really be surprised as to what I know about you, Ben.

And the statement above is exactly why I can't take you seriously. Its a complete waste of time talking to you and it has been since you started posting here. You're already positive that you know everything there is to know about basketball officiating. Except for maybe some basic rules, of course.

You're just another Old School imo. Another rec league warrior who's never done a meaningful game in their life.

First of all I swore I put "haha" and a smiley face at the end of that.

And if you know so much about me please tell me what I have worked and what I worked this summer and what leagues I'm in?

So far you have got my name and that I am young. Shoot, since you are stalking me, I want you to tell me about my whole family and whether I'm Dutch, French, Native American. I think I've got alot of Native American in me personally but I don't know you tell me since you got me down pat and know everything I have been doing. Forget it. I will send you everything in a PM. haha

Jurassic Referee · #**173** (**permalink**) Thu Jul 26, 2007, 10:43am

Quote:

Originally Posted by btaylor64

I will send you everything in a PM.

No, you won't, Ben. As I said, it's a waste of time...for both of us. And as I've already also said, feel free to ignore me. Us old guys don't know anything that you don't already know anyway.

JRutledge · #**174** (**permalink**) Thu Jul 26, 2007, 10:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by btaylor64

First of all I swore I put "haha" and a smiley face at the end of that.

And if you know so much about me please tell me what I have worked and what I worked this summer and what leagues I'm in?

So far you have got my name and that I am young. Shoot, since you are stalking me, I want you to tell me about my whole family and whether I'm Dutch, French, Native American. I think I've got alot of Native American in me personally but I don't know you tell me since you got me down pat and know everything I have been doing. Forget it. I will send you everything in a PM. haha

You made a reference to Chuck Elias earlier in this thread. Not sure you are aware, but Chuck and JR know each other rather well. So if Chuck knows anything about you, I am sure JR would know something as well. Also if you work college like you claim, it is very easy for someone to find out something about different people in a very wide area. Living in Chicago I find it is amazing I will attend camps or other functions only to find someone knows someone that I know or knows the leagues they work.

Peace

Dan_ref · #**175** (**permalink**) Thu Jul 26, 2007, 11:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by btaylor64

BTW, if you want to know what I work just ask Chuck Elias. We recently met. He seems like a great guy and I wish I could have sat and talked with him more.

Oooohhh...Chuck Elias...wow.

btw, when you were sitting down with him talking? He wasn't sitting.

oh yeah, and don't give him your cell phone number or he'll never leave you alone. Right Chuck?

Old School · #**176** (**permalink**) Thu Jul 26, 2007, 12:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yup, and I gave my opinion about you, JMO.

Point is why? Your opinion about me has nothing to do with the discussion.

Adam · #**177** (**permalink**) Thu Jul 26, 2007, 12:51pm

When you hear or read someone spouting off his opinion on anything, you judge that opinion in large part on your view of that person's over all credibility; and in particular his credibility on the subject at hand.

Therefore, personal opinions about individual posters are relevant to a discussion in which those posters only contribute opinions.