what would you do?

Jurassic Referee · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 04, 2007, 11:06am

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Originally Posted by OHBBREF

In a post game discussion several officials stated they would not have initiated
the correction of the error they would have let it come from the table??
Their thought process (though I believe flawed or arrogant) was not to admit to an error if nobody else knew about it it could lead to problems with the coaches later?

Well, with any luck I'll never have have to work with clowns like that. The day that I worry about having problems with coaches over any call that I make is the day I change my name to "Old School".

Get the play right.

rockyroad · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 04, 2007, 11:29am

Worked as a clinician at a HS camp this weekend...had a play where A2 steals ball and is 6-7 feet in front of everyone as he lays it in. Second wave of guys coming down court - B3 shoves A3 to the floor to get into rebounding position in case the rebound misses. Center official calls the pushing foul, counts the basket, and then proceeds to award the shooter one free throw! As clinicians, we were not supposed to insert ourselves into the game, so I just watched to see what would happen...they shoot the one shot, Coach B going nuts, T coach B, shoot two more free throws...yikes! Conversation after the game...BOTH partners admitted that they KNEW that C was wrong, but they said nothing because they didn't want anyone to know they had blown it...that worked well for them...there was some butt-chewing after that little episode.

Jurassic Referee · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 04, 2007, 11:49am

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Originally Posted by rockyroad

Conversation after the game...BOTH partners admitted that they KNEW that C was wrong, but they said nothing because they didn't want anyone to know they had blown it...that worked well for them...there was some butt-chewing after that little episode.

And rightly so.......for all three of them.

Silly monkeys....

rockyroad · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 04, 2007, 11:54am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And rightly so.......for all three of them.

Silly monkeys....

Actually the butt chewing was aimed mostly (mostly, I repeat) at the two partners who just stood there and watched it all go FUBAR...I'm thinking of writing a book about it: "How to Ruin a Well-called Game in Under 20 Seconds"

Jurassic Referee · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 04, 2007, 11:57am

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Originally Posted by rockyroad

Actually the butt chewing was aimed mostly (mostly, I repeat) at the two partners who just stood there and watched it all go FUBAR...I'm thinking of writing a book about it: "How to Ruin a Well-called Game in Under 20 Seconds"

Maybe next time they'll figure out that if one of the crew screws up that badly, then they've all screwed up.

truerookie · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 04, 2007, 12:00pm

I would like to understand this correctly.

(a). I have knowledge of kicking a rule; but, I should not correct a kicked rule because, I do not want to upset a coach. RIGHT!!!

(b). My partner kicks a rule and we should not discussed this kicked rule. because, we do not want to upset a coach RIGHT!!!!!

Thanks!!! We this approach I will soon be like another individual who visits the forum.

rockyroad · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 04, 2007, 12:12pm

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Originally Posted by truerookie

Thanks!!! We this approach I will soon be like another individual who visits the forum.

M&M Guy??????

M&M Guy · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 04, 2007, 01:44pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad

M&M Guy??????

I need a smilie that's giving the finger.

Oh, wait:

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Dan_ref · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 04, 2007, 01:57pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I need a smilie that's giving the finger.

Oh, wait:

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MODS!!!

I demand (DEMAND I TELL YA!) this thread be closed now to preserve forever the intellectual honesty and spiritual beauty it now enjoys!

Speaking of spiritual beauty...did anyone actually expect Sweet Looo to last this long without giving the baseball world the unsmiling finger? He's really doing a great job working on that anger issue of his.

btw...my best Lou story is from the late 70's/early 80's sitting out in the left field box seats in da bronx on a miserable rainy night that found the home team down big in the top of the 8th. A fan had been on Lou all game long "LOU! YOU SUCK!!!" and like that. Finally Lou turns and shouts back "WHY DON'T YOU KISS MY F'ING @SS!"

He got a huge round of applause, and since the stadium was near empty by that time it was heard by all.

M&M Guy · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 04, 2007, 02:53pm

Ooh, I was able to reply to the thread so it's not locked yet. Maybe they want one last shot of intellectual honesty and spiritual beauty before they lock it for good.

(I've been studiously avoiding the baseball thread because I didn't want to comment on my Cubbies. That would certainly lock that thread for good.)

Anyway, back to the issue at hand - I would prefer the clinician would've stepped in and corrected the mistake, then reamed the officials afterward. I understand the reasoning of letting them do the game, and waiting to critique, but the teams have also spent money to be there, so they have every right to expect the game to be officiated fairly. The teams should also know the officiating situation going in from the organizer - some camps use rec-league refs, some combine the camp with an officials' training camp, some use local HS refs, etc. If the teams know this is also a training camp for officials, they would understand the clinician stepping in and getting the mess straightened out.

rockyroad · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 04, 2007, 02:12pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I need a smilie that's giving the finger.

Oh, wait:

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Wow...there's no reason to get personal. But since you did - right back at you!!

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So there!! Phbbbbtttttttt...

Jurassic Referee · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 04, 2007, 02:28pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad

Phbbbbtttttttt...

Right back at ya....

truerookie · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 04, 2007, 10:04pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad

M&M Guy??????

No!!! I desire not to say the name. It's would ruin my month if I did.

mick · #14 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 04, 2007, 12:11pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad

Worked as a clinician at a HS camp this weekend...had a play where A2 steals ball and is 6-7 feet in front of everyone as he lays it in. Second wave of guys coming down court - B3 shoves A3 to the floor to get into rebounding position in case the rebound misses. Center official calls the pushing foul, counts the basket, and then proceeds to award the shooter one free throw! As clinicians, we were not supposed to insert ourselves into the game, so I just watched to see what would happen...they shoot the one shot, Coach B going nuts, T coach B, shoot two more free throws...yikes! Conversation after the game...BOTH partners admitted that they KNEW that C was wrong, but they said nothing because they didn't want anyone to know they had blown it...that worked well for them...there was some butt-chewing after that little episode.

Oh, my ! That's a narrow plank on which to walk, ...not much room to roam.

So everyone involved noticed the problem, yet the guy that was correct was punished. But, then again, he didn't have to go nuts, did he?

The teams pay for the camp, but do they realize there may be officiating problems with the campers? Will they pay again next year ? Will they castigate the camp ?
Were the camping officials better off having been humiliated ? Why couldn't a clinician step in (as an experienced partner could) and brought the crew together to make it right, and then rehash it at a break ?

I dunno, trial by fire is certainly a way to learn, but a few words from a clinician and everyone is happy.

Rocky, I certainly am not judging your part as an observer, but I wonder if a slightly modified philosophy may be more comfortable for the participants.

It seems the thought may be to eliminate officials, rather than to be creating officials. Although, that can work, too !

rockyroad · #15 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 04, 2007, 12:20pm

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Originally Posted by mick

Oh, my ! That's a narrow plank on which to walk, ...not much room to roam.

So everyone involved noticed the problem, yet the guy that was correct was punished. But, then again, he didn't have to go nuts, did he?

The teams pay for the camp, but do they realize there may be officiating problems with the campers? Will they pay again next year ? Will they castigate the camp ?
Were the camping officials better off having been humiliated ? Why couldn't a clinician step in (as an experienced partner could) and brought the crew together to make it right, and then rehash it at a break ?

I dunno, trial by fire is certainly a way to learn, but a few words from a clinician and everyone is happy.

Rocky, I certainly am not judging your part as an observer, but I wonder if a slightly modified philosophy may be more comfortable for the participants.

It seems the thought may be to eliminate officials, rather than to be creating officials. Although, that can work, too !

The teams knew that it was a training ground for officials...and these were officials who certainly knew better. They were all three Varsity level officials from their various associations, and those were the people we were told not to step in on. In essence, this was a "certification" type camp - these were people trying to prove that they were qualified to work post-season tournaments. Needless to say, they didn't prove that...