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rainmaker Sun Jun 03, 2007 02:28pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust
Juulie, read what he wrote again and read it with a player's mind. He told us pretty much everything....just not in technical terms.

I don't claim to have ESP but we, on this board, often expect questions worded in near perfect rulebook jargon. We jump all over non-officials with reasonable, legit questions when they're phrased in laymans terms...even when it's not that hard to figure out what they're really asking. Some call them fanboys (some of them are but not all). Some belittle them. I wouldn't hurt to be a bit more tolerant and not slam the guy for not fitting the casebook question format.

Camron -- I wasn't calling him a fanboy, and I wasn't belittling him. Actually, I was trying to give him the serious attention that is due to someone who asks an honest question and expects a well-thought out answer. I was trying to poke you in the ribs a little, but that apparently fell flat, just like a lot of my other jibes that day.

I really wasn't sure what happened, and I really couldn't read into his description what had happened. That call depends entirely on who had legal guarding position, or other legal position on the floor, and I just couldn't tell. SO I was trying to elicit more details to give him a good answer.

Camron Rust Sun Jun 03, 2007 03:29pm

Agree, that neither rainmaker nor JRutledge was slamming/belittleing this particular guy but it does happen all to often here....and it was beginning to look like it was going that direction.

Hartsy Mon Jun 04, 2007 09:47am

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Originally Posted by xtreme panda
I understand I cant describe the situation as detailed as you guys want.

This was only a pick-up game and usually a lot of rules aren't obeyed except the simple ones. Illegal screens aren't usually called and this was the first time I've seen it called.

I was just wanted to clarify if the person who called the illegal screen actually had an argument, since I thought it couldn't be called in the paint.

I didn't know this forum actually had REAL refs on it. I just googled basketball forum and wanted other's people opinion on this. Thank you for your time.

Some of us are, anyhow. Then there's .... oh, forget it.

Scrapper1 Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:17am

Is there moving screen in the paint?

Someone with a good memory is going to have to help me out. But I'm pretty sure I remember an NCAA tournament game (might've been a conference tournament) a few years ago that had a somewhat controversial call regarding a screen in the paint. Here's the description, as well as I can remember it.

There was a 2-on-1 fast break. A1 was dribbling down the middle of the court to the basket. A2 and B2 were slightly ahead of and to the left of A1, with A2 between A1 and B2. As A1 got near the basket, A2 subtly extended his left arm and held B2 so that B2 could not make a play on A1. The Lead official called the holding foul and there was a lot of consternation. . . until they showed the replay. And sure enough, you could see A2 holding B2 away from the play.

Anybody remember that game?

BktBallRef Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:51am

Do you mean the NCAA Tournament game where there was a 2-on-1 fast break, A1 was dribbling down the middle of the court to the basket, A2 and B2 were slightly ahead of and to the left of A1, with A2 between A1 and B2, and as A1 got near the basket, A2 subtly extended his left arm and held B2 so that B2 could not make a play on A1?

No, I don't remember it! :D

Mark Padgett Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:24am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Anybody remember that game?


Yeah - it was Solid State vs. Whassamatta U. Solid State finally won in the fifth chukker when Whassamattu U. surrendered its queen.

Meds - meds - my kingdom for some meds. :o

Scrapper1 Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:45am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
No, I don't remember it! :D

I need a smiley that's giving the finger!! :p

Dan_ref Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:57am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
Do you mean the NCAA Tournament game where there was a 2-on-1 fast break, A1 was dribbling down the middle of the court to the basket, A2 and B2 were slightly ahead of and to the left of A1, with A2 between A1 and B2, and as A1 got near the basket, A2 subtly extended his left arm and held B2 so that B2 could not make a play on A1?

No, I don't remember it! :D

Maybe this will help...it was the NCAA Tournament game where there was a 2-on-1 fast break, A1 was dribbling down the middle of the court to the basket, A2 and B2 were slightly ahead of and to the left of A1, with A2 between A1 and B2, and as A1 got near the basket, A2 subtly extended his left arm and held B2 so that B2 could not make a play on A1?

rainmaker Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:02pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Maybe this will help...it was the NCAA Tournament game where there was a 2-on-1 fast break, A1 was dribbling down the middle of the court to the basket, A2 and B2 were slightly ahead of and to the left of A1, with A2 between A1 and B2, and as A1 got near the basket, A2 subtly extended his left arm and held B2 so that B2 could not make a play on A1?

clever response!

Dan_ref Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:53pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
clever response!

I need a smiley that's giving the finger!! :p

Camron Rust Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:58pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Maybe this will help...it was the NCAA Tournament game where there was a 2-on-1 fast break, A1 was dribbling down the middle of the court to the basket, A2 and B2 were slightly ahead of and to the left of A1, with A2 between A1 and B2, and as A1 got near the basket, A2 subtly extended his left arm and held B2 so that B2 could not make a play on A1?

Do you mean the one played with two teams and a spherical, brownish-orange ball, where one of the teams scored more points than the other?

Dan_ref Mon Jun 04, 2007 01:10pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust
Do you mean the one played with two teams and a spherical, brownish-orange ball, where one of the teams scored more points than the other?


That's the one!

You saw it too?

As I recall it was played in March.

bob jenkins Mon Jun 04, 2007 01:57pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
That's the one!

You saw it too?

As I recall it was played in March.

You have a better memory than I. I knew it was after February and before April, but I couldn't remember the exact month.

Jurassic Referee Mon Jun 04, 2007 02:26pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
I need a smiley that's giving the finger!! :p

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Mark Dexter Mon Jun 04, 2007 08:47pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Is there moving screen in the paint?

Someone with a good memory is going to have to help me out. But I'm pretty sure I remember an NCAA tournament game (might've been a conference tournament) a few years ago that had a somewhat controversial call regarding a screen in the paint. Here's the description, as well as I can remember it.

There was a 2-on-1 fast break. A1 was dribbling down the middle of the court to the basket. A2 and B2 were slightly ahead of and to the left of A1, with A2 between A1 and B2. As A1 got near the basket, A2 subtly extended his left arm and held B2 so that B2 could not make a play on A1. The Lead official called the holding foul and there was a lot of consternation. . . until they showed the replay. And sure enough, you could see A2 holding B2 away from the play.

Anybody remember that game?

See, Scrapper - you confused the hell out of everybody. A2 and B2 were to the RIGHT of A1 and A2 extended his right foot.


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