We don't need no stinkin'.... part 2

[chartrusepengui]

You obviously do not work in education or in areas with a lot of smaller schools. There are many schools in our area that really can't afford 3 man crews. There are a couple that on the verge of closing down completely. I would really hate to see money earmarked for the education of all students being pulled into the fund to pay for 3 man crews instead of 2 man crews in BB.

However - I personally prefer the 3 man crew both for college and varsity HS - and have even worked the 3 man crew for the fee of 2 man crew at HS and MS levels. We have done this on holiday tournaments etc and pre-season scrimages in part to give less experienced officials a chance to familiarize themselves and get some practice with the 3 man crew after attending a camp. I agree that 3 man crews would be great and I don't know what the solution is - but some schools really can't afford this one.

[Junker]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

You obviously do not work in education or in areas with a lot of smaller schools. There are many schools in our area that really can't afford 3 man crews. There are a couple that on the verge of closing down completely. I would really hate to see money earmarked for the education of all students being pulled into the fund to pay for 3 man crews instead of 2 man crews in BB.

I don't agree with this. Those small schools pack their gyms every night during basketball season. Paying another official for their home games isn't going to cause them to close their doors. If they want quality games with quality officiating, they need to find the money for 3 man crews.

[chartrusepengui]

Many people don't agree who do not see how education is funded and how funding is constantly being cut back. I could really go off on a tangent on Ed funding BUT I do agree with OP that I would prefer 3 person crews but it's just not feasable where I am located. Each school sets own sub varsity fee schedule and conferences set varstiy fee schedule. Location and population are two other issues with gates etc. I am not sure where you are from but my sub varsity game fees range from $35 on the lowest end to $46.50 (ave. $41) for JV w/no mileage being paid. That is just for BB subvarsity and additional $1500 - $2500 increase. Other sports are also trying to get larger crews - FB, SB, BB etc. It just adds up and is hard to justify for AD's and Admin when the rest of the budget keeps getting cut.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

Many people don't agree who do not see how education is funded and how funding is constantly being cut back.

This is just a little bit condescending. Many people disagree who DO know how education is funded and how funding is being cut back.

[chartrusepengui]

This is just a little bit condescending. Many people disagree who DO know how education is funded and how funding is being cut back.

Sorry to crush your feelings...... hope I didn't destroy your self-esteem .... but then again, it's difficult to find very many comments on this forum that are not condescending.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

Sorry to crush your feelings...... hope I didn't destroy your self-esteem .... but then again, it's difficult to find very many comments on this forum that are not condescending.

As in....anyone who does not agree with you is wrong?

[chartrusepengui]

not wrong - it just was not my intention to have my "condescending" words crush anyone. I never stated that no one knew how education is funded. By that - I mean the majority of people do not know how funding formulas work and that each district/school does not receive equal funding - even equal per pupil funding - and that these formulas are different from state to state. It was not my intent to condenscendingly imply that people do not know that the funding originates with taxes. It was more with what happens after the taxes are collected and monies are being dispursed.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

Sorry to crush your feelings...... hope I didn't destroy your self-esteem .... but then again, it's difficult to find very many comments on this forum that are not condescending.

Don't worry, my feelings aren't crushed and my self-esteem isn't affected. Neither is so fragile as to be susceptible to condescention from someone I don't know personally.

I was just pointing out two things.

1. Many who disagree with you are informed in the matter.
2. Implying that those who disagree with you aren't informed is a bit condescending and not at all convincing.

Not necessarily in that order.

[JRutledge]

Let us also put this in perspective. Some schools pay people that hardly do anything. I have worked football games where the chain crew working only the varsity game gets more money than the officials working both games (varsity and JV/sophomore). If schools stop trying to pay people that would do the job for next to nothing, then you might have more money for officials.

Peace

[LarryS]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

You obviously do not work in education or in areas with a lot of smaller schools. There are many schools in our area that really can't afford 3 man crews. There are a couple that on the verge of closing down completely. I would really hate to see money earmarked for the education of all students being pulled into the fund to pay for 3 man crews instead of 2 man crews in BB.

I think if we wanted we could hijack this discussion on crash the board by talking about education funding.

Lets do some math at high school...figure 13 home games a season for 4 teams below varsity (13 x 4 = 52). Using the local fees paid to sub-varsity official ($30) the school has to pay a whopping $1,560 more a year to use three officials. If that is going to force a school to close down or pull money away from educating students the school should strongly consider dropping all athletics...look at the money they could use for education!

[Junker]

Originally Posted by LarryS

I think if we wanted we could hijack this discussion on crash the board by talking about education funding.

Lets do some math at high school...figure 13 home games a season for 4 teams below varsity (13 x 4 = 52). Using the local fees paid to sub-varsity official ($30) the school has to pay a whopping $1,560 more a year to use three officials. If that is going to force a school to close down or pull money away from educating students the school should strongly consider dropping all athletics...look at the money they could use for education!

I am an educator and I agree. Not having the money is a cop out at those small schools. They could find it if they had to. There's plenty of other places money is wasted.

[chartrusepengui]

Yeah, but I didn't want to get started on administrator salaries ...... :-)