Legit or Self-Pass?

[Jay]

I am doing a game where player A1 dribbles for a lay-up on the left side of the basket. Player A1 then throws up what appeared to be a shot attempt but the ball sails clear over the rim touching nothing. Player A1 meets the ball on the right side of the rim, catches it with both his feet still on the floor, takes another dribble, then lays the ball in succesfully. Is this a travel and can anyone possibly explain why it is or not? Thanks.

[BigDave]

This is not a travel. It is a rebound and a made basket.

If A1's first shot is deemed a shot by you, then he can get the rebound and dribble, shoot or pass just like normal. If the "shot" is deemed a pass, then you have a violation.

[ScottParks]

Not a violation. If, in your judgement, this was a shot attempt, then there is no player control, and no team control.... can't then have a traveling or double dribble violation.

[daves]

No call. It is considered a rebound of a try. See 4.43 situation B in the casebook.

[Larks]

Originally posted by Jay
I am doing a game where player A1 dribbles for a lay-up on the left side of the basket. Player A1 then throws up what appeared to be a shot attempt but the ball sails clear over the rim touching nothing. Player A1 meets the ball on the right side of the rim, catches it with both his feet still on the floor, takes another dribble, then lays the ball in succesfully. Is this a travel and can anyone possibly explain why it is or not? Thanks.

I'm going to say this is NOT traveling or double dribble.

NFHS rule 4-12-6 sez: "Neither team control nor player control exists during a dead ball, throw-in, jump ball or when the ball is in flight during a try or tap for goal." . I think you need to have "player control" of the ball in order to call a travel or double dribble. Since this was in your judgement a legit "TRY" , I say play on, basket counts.

At least IMRHO (In my Rookie Humble Opinion).

Ok, now its time for the old guys to comment!

Larks

[ScottParks]

Talk about quick answers at the same time!

[devdog69]

As long as he takes a legit shot it is perfectly legal.
Case book 4.43 Situation B:A1 attempts a try after ending the dribble. The try does not touch the backboard, the rim or any other player. A1 runs and is able to catch the ball before it strikes the floor. Ruling: Legal. When A1 recovered his/her own try, A1 could either dribble, pass or try again. There was no team control after the ball was released on a try. (4-12;4-40)

[Larks]

Originally posted by parkssa
Talk about quick answers at the same time!

We were on this one like white on rice on a paper plate in a snow storm.

[Jay]

Whew, thanks guys! Guess the reaming I got from the opposing coach was for nothing.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Larks

We were on this one like white on rice on a paper plate in a snow storm.

You'll find this to be one of the most common questions that comes up - that's why the members are able to jump on it so quickly.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by Jay
Whew, thanks guys! Guess the reaming I got from the opposing coach was for nothing.

I hope you at least got the "pleasure" of a T out of it.

[BktBallRef]

Jay,

Scroll down the Basketball page and take my Traveling Quiz. It'll help you better understand some of the myths of traveling.

Tony