Backing in

[jeffpea]

This exact scenario (offensive post backing down a defender toward the basket) has bothered me during the last few weeks of the NCAA tourney....It has begun to drive me crazy when a defender is called for a foul by body bumping, using an arm bar, or putting two hands on the offensive post player after he receives the ball and the offensive post player is allowed to back down the defender into the lane. Case in point - Florida 54 Butler 54 3:21 (2nd half)...Horford catches ball in post; 1st power dribble/bump (nothing); 2nd power dribble/bump (should have been PC); 3rd power dribble/bump/shot (defender realizes no call coming - tries flop and reaches on shot - foul and 1 FT).

IMHO, if your gonna call the defensive foul - THEN YOU HAVE TO CALL A PC ON THE OFFENSIVE POST PLAYER FOR DISPLACEMENT! It gives an unfair advantage to call one without the other...

I believe we will see a POE next year from Hank Nichols and the NCAA regarding displacement by a post player with the ball.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

Case in point - Florida 54 Butler 54 3:21 (2nd half)...Horford catches ball in post; 1st power dribble/bump (nothing); 2nd power dribble/bump (should have been PC); 3rd power dribble/bump/shot (defender realizes no call coming - tries flop and reaches on shot - foul and 1 FT).

1st Power dribble/bump - Defender is standing with two arms on Horford's back and his knee up between Horford's legs (no LGP), 2nd power dribble/bump - Still no established LGP,
3rd power dribble/bump/shot defender tries flop and reaches on shot - foul and 1 FT

There whould be a lot more PC fouls - if the defender established LGP first and most defenders do not do that - while the are bumping and grinding for position they are all up in the offensive players back and leaning on them when they recieve the pass, then they do not establish LGP so they earn that PC foul.

[jeffpea]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

1st Power dribble/bump - Defender is standing with two arms on Horford's back and his knee up between Horford's legs (no LGP), 2nd power dribble/bump - Still no established LGP,
3rd power dribble/bump/shot defender tries flop and reaches on shot - foul and 1 FT

There whould be a lot more PC fouls - if the defender established LGP first and most defenders do not do that - while the are bumping and grinding for position they are all up in the offensive players back and leaning on them when they recieve the pass, then they do not establish LGP so they earn that PC foul.

Watch the post play a little more closely...there is a reason why defenders use their arms, legs, bodies, etc. to "wall off" a post player with the ball - it's because those are the only means they have to hold their ground. Once the ball is entered into the post, the VAST MAJORITY of contact is initiated by the offensive player.

When contact is initiated that creates an advantage, it MUST be called a foul. Traditionally, the "hand-checks", illegal screens, block/charge-type plays are called rather easily. The contact that occurs in the post (both before and after the ball is entered) has not been called in the same manner as other types of contact - probably because it IS more difficult to officiate. The most recent POE regarding contact in the post has primarily dealt with defensive players restricting an offensive players' movement. I predict that the next POE regarding post play contact will call for enforcement of an offensive player displacing the defender during a power dribble/move to the basket.