3.1 to 2.0?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

Apparently no one can.

The clock never started.
The Whistle blew.
And 3.1 became a two.


Short of someone with a rulebook to explain, this appears to be a classic case of over-officiating.

Let's break this down for you piano man, nice & slow.

The ball was legally inbounded at 3.2 seconds. It touched a player B1 and then hit the court (that means it was still inbounds). The clock did not start. The ball then bounced high in the air and finally went OOB. No time came off the clock (that means 3.2 seconds still showed on the clock). NCAA rules allow the officials to use a monitor to fix timing errors. They used the monitor (and a stop watch I understand) to determine 1.1 seconds elapsed between the time the ball touched B1 and the time it went OOB.

Hopefully this clears it up for you and you can rest easy knowing that your team wasn't screwed.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Let's break this down for you piano man, nice & slow.

The ball was legally inbounded at 3.2 seconds. It touched a player B1 and then hit the court (that means it was still inbounds). The clock did not start. The ball then bounced high in the air and finally went OOB. No time came off the clock (that means 3.2 seconds still showed on the clock). NCAA rules allow the officials to use a monitor to fix timing errors. They used the monitor (and a stop watch I understand) to determine 1.1 seconds elapsed between the time the ball touched B1 and the time it went OOB.

Hopefully this clears it up for you and you can rest easy knowing that your team wasn't screwed.

Dan, a little testy?

I have no dog in the hunt.

We have your take on the call.

I asked for a rule book explanation.

Is there one? Can you cite it?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

Dan, a little testy?

I have no dog in the hunt.

We have your take on the call.

I asked for a rule book explanation.

Is there one? Can you cite it?

The ncaa rules are available on line. They are available to you for reference (hint search the pdf file for "monitor". If you get beyond rule 2 you've gone too far). I spent my time as research gofer in grad school, I don't think I'm ready to start that again for you, thank you very much for the offer.

Not testy at all. I don't care about your dogs or what they hunt.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

Dan, a little testy?

I have no dog in the hunt.

We have your take on the call.

I asked for a rule book explanation.

Is there one? Can you cite it?

If he does, what are you gonna do to check it? You don't own an NCAA basketball rule book and you've never officiated a basketball game in your life. You're obviously clueless when it comes to the rules anyway.

Or do you think that he'd really lie to you?

Now shoo, fanboy, shoo.....

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If he does, what are you gonna do to check it? You don't own an NCAA basketball rule book and you've never officiated a basketball game in your life. You're obviously clueless when it comes to the rules anyway.

Or do you think that he'd really lie to you?

Now shoo, fanboy, shoo.....

Hey you think he's calling me a liar? geeze, i never considered that...sniff sniff...I need a hug.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

Dan, a little testy?

I have no dog in the hunt.

We have your take on the call.

I asked for a rule book explanation.

Is there one? Can you cite it?

Rule 14-51-3b.

[ATXCoach]

I do not disagree that the ball hit in bounds and it took 1.1 seconds for it to hit something out of bounds.

What I don't understand is why the whistle is irrelevant. The trail, I can only assume, thought the ball was out of bounds, thus he blew his whistle.

What am I missing that allows the other two officials to disregard the whistle (i.e. change the call based on the monitor)?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by ATXCoach

What am I missing that allows the other two officials to disregard the whistle (i.e. change the call based on the monitor)?

You're missing the rule. The rule and the procedure used to determine "definite information" has been explained several times. You can either believe the explanations.... or not. It's a waste of time repeating them.

[sseltser]

The rule allows them to change an obvious timing error, correct?

If there were no timing error the clock would start at the touch and end at the whistle. Why should it be timed to when the ball went OOB?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by sseltser

The rule allows them to change an obvious timing error, correct?

If there were no timing error the clock would start at the touch and end at the whistle. Why should it be timed to when the ball went OOB?

What whistle?

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by sseltser

The rule allows them to change an obvious timing error, correct?

If there were no timing error the clock would start at the touch and end at the whistle. Why should it be timed to when the ball went OOB?

The rules about correcting errors don't always make sense to me either. But the refs who do the tournament know the rules well, and know how to apply them. You can be sure whatever they did was correct!

[MJT]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

The ball was legally inbounded at 3.2 seconds. It touched a player B1 and then hit the court (that means it was still inbounds). The clock did not start. The ball then bounced high in the air and finally went OOB. No time came off the clock (that means 3.2 seconds still showed on the clock). NCAA rules allow the officials to use a monitor to fix timing errors. They used the monitor (and a stop watch I understand) to determine 1.1 seconds elapsed between the time the ball touched B1 and the time it went OOB.

This is about as simple as it gets. For those of you still saying "but he blew his whistle" it doesn't matter cuz the CLOCK NEVER STARTED!!!! Therefore they can fix the timing error using the monitor and it DOESN'T MATTER whether or not he did, or did not blow his whistle.

What is your arguement now????

[NewNCref]

Originally Posted by MJT

This is about as simple as it gets. For those of you still saying "but he blew his whistle" it doesn't matter cuz the CLOCK NEVER STARTED!!!! Therefore they can fix the timing error using the monitor and it DOESN'T MATTER whether or not he did, or did not blow his whistle.

What is your arguement now????

Whether the clock was actually running or not matters not, the fact is, it SHOULD have been running, and when the whistle blew, the clock SHOULD have stopped. The purpose of the review is to correct the time so that it reflects how the clock would have started and stopped had the mistake not been made.

If the clock had started running correctly, it would have stopped when the official blew his whistle.

[NewNCref]

Section 5. Officials Use of Replay/Television Equipment
Art. 1. Officials may use official courtside replay equipment, videotape
or television monitoring that is located on a designated courtside table
(i.e., within approximately 3 to 12 feet of the playing court), when such
equipment is available only in situations as follows:

f. A determination, based on the judgment of the official, that a timing
mistake has occurred in either starting or stopping the game clock.
After the ball is in play, such a mistake shall be corrected during the
first dead ball or during the next live ball but before the ball is touched
inbounds or out of bounds by a player. When the clock should have
been continuously running, the mistake shall be corrected before the
second live ball is touched inbounds or out of bounds by a player.


The ball became dead on the whistle (IW or OOB, i don't care why he blew it). Therefore, this is when the mistake should have been corrected.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by NewNCref

The ball became dead on the whistle (IW or OOB, i don't care why he blew it). Therefore, this is when the mistake should have been corrected.

I'm a bit confused. The refs did correct the time during the proper dead ball period.