Bob, thanks for jumping in. Let me ask it this way;
A1 has the ball for a throwin. Passes the ball and it's tipped (doesn't matter by whom). B1 then jumps from his FC and catches the ball before landing in his BC. Would this be a violation?

Okay, here's the applicable rule as it pertains to this play:

Again, the debate is whether the parenthetical comment is meant to be all-inclusive or merely provide examples for when this allowance applies.

No violation. Since Team A had the ball for the throw-in, which ended on the tip, it is clear that B1 is a defensive player and thus his action is covered by 9-9-3.

How is it <b>clear</b> who is on offense or defense when there is <b>no</b> player or team control?:confused:

Rules citation?

Not a defensive player. There is no defensive player yet. But it is legal because it's a throw-in.

JR, the team defending the throw-in is clearly on defense.

SoCal, it is not during a throw-in. The ball was tipped and that ended the throw-in under NFHS rules.

You're right. I misread it. However, there is still no defense or offense as team control has yet to be established.

Clear to who?

Rules citation?

My point exactly, JR.

Where does it say that team control is necessary for there to be a defensive team. To throw that ball back into JR's court, please cite a rule for me that says that.

I think that it is quite obvious that if one team is making a throw-in, the opponent is playing defense.

If we're going to parse the wording of the rule to the point where we insist that the parenthetical list is all-inclusive, then "defense" needs to be defined as well. The only rule definition I can find is by defining it as the opposite of the team in control; which won't exist during a throwin.

Personally, I think the parenthetical list is meant as a few examples rather than a full and all-inclusive list of times when the allowance is in effect.

1) Common sense- a commodity which seems to be lacking in some of your wingy interpretations.

2) Obvious to who? You? Somehow methinks that doesn't make it so.

So your position is that defense doesn't exist unless there is team control by one team...
Well I can demonstrate using what is written in the rules book that your "common sense" isn't correct.

There are two statements in the Fundamentals which mention defense. In the first, there is no team control because the try has been released, which we know ends team control. However, the continuous motion interval is the topic of the second, which we know occurs while the player is still holding the ball and thus has team control.

Basketball Rules Fundamentals

7. The only infractions for which points are awarded are goaltending by the defense or basket interference at the opponent's basket.

17. “Continuous motion” applies both to tries and taps for field goals and free throws, but it has no significance unless there is a foul by the defense during the interval which begins when the habitual trying or tapping movement starts and ends when the ball is clearly in flight.

Therefore, defense can occur both while there is and also while there is not team control. Q.E.D.

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Thanks for the thread reference....seems like I just read a lot of that somewhere....:)

Seems to me there needs to be a clarification on this somewhere.....I see both sides of the story and am still "up in the air" on this one....Am going to check and see on this with our local rules guy soon. ALso going to send to our state association...one of our gals with the state knows Mary Struckoff well and hope I can get clafication on these.

Mary Struckhoff knows the rules about as well as Billy Packer.:rolleyes: