Do you want another "Whatta ya got"?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Those aren't mutually exclusive items. So, Old School is also 100% the former. That give him 200% -- he's twice the referee Jon Diebler ever was.

Blasphemy!

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Those aren't mutually exclusive items. So, Old School is also 100% the former. That give him 200% -- he's twice the referee Jon Diebler ever was.

Now, don't be hatin' on Jon!

(Rest his soul...)

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Those aren't mutually exclusive items. So, Old School is also 100% the former. That give him 200% -- he's twice the referee Jon Diebler ever was.

Bob:

That's cold.

MTD, Sr.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by RushmoreRef

if you notice the clip, the ball never left A1's hand (because he elected not to shoot for some reason) but the L would have had a hard time seeing that......

I don't think we are disagreeing with each other here - I'm just pointing out that seeing between players isn't an absolute in order to make a call...I do have a question - from your previous post quoted above - what difference does this make??? Do we care if the ball was released? It's still a PC foul, right - or are you talking only NCAA-M???

[RushmoreRef]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I don't think we are disagreeing with each other here - I'm just pointing out that seeing between players isn't an absolute in order to make a call...I do have a question - from your previous post quoted above - what difference does this make??? Do we care if the ball was released? It's still a PC foul, right - or are you talking only NCAA-M???

Yeah, I think we are in agreement, too.....the "ball being released" comment was because if you are looking at the back and the ball isn't released for the shot then usually something caused that and perhaps that was a reach on the defense before the contact which the L wouldn't have seen (just hypothetical statement)...as you can see on the video I just think he forgot to shoot and nothing caused him to not shoot the ball.

Thanks for the comments and this has been a good discussion for me and hopefully others.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by RushmoreRef

Yeah, I think we are in agreement, too.....the "ball being released" comment was because if you are looking at the back and the ball isn't released for the shot then usually something caused that and perhaps that was a reach on the defense before the contact which the L wouldn't have seen (just hypothetical statement)...as you can see on the video I just think he forgot to shoot and nothing caused him to not shoot the ball.

Thanks for the comments and this has been a good discussion for me and hopefully others.

Gotcha...and agree that it's always nice to have a pleasant conversation...

[Old School]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

In officiating, the words "time and distance" as a phrase never, never, never refer to where or when or how the official is seeing the play. "Time and distance" are used to talk about screening or guarding an opponent without the ball. Period. Do not ever use those words as a phrase in any other context.

So who are you, the referee cop. If you read what I said, which points clearly you do not interpret what you read. I preference what I said with I am not talking about LGP, establishing LGP, or a block charge. I'm talking about getting into position to accurately make the call. So in my discussion, time and distance is very important and valid to the topic under discussion. If you can not handle that. Then maybe you need to quite drinking that kool-aide that's going around. I've warn you it's not good for you. Causes your brain to only see, hear, read one thing. That's not good.

I am starting to favor the opinion that most of you officials out here are the most uptight people in the world. You have to be right all the time. What's up with that? Is that the drawback or side effects of a lifetime of officiating. It poisons your brain? You have been into that rulebook so hard that certain words can not be used to describe a basketball situation because the rulebook uses it differently? Get over yourself!

Okay, rant is over, go back to hating on me and talking about LGP and block charge. I know your one-track mind can't handle nothing else.

[tmp44]

Originally Posted by Old School

So who are you, the referee cop. If you read what I said, which points clearly you do not interpret what you read. I preference what I said with I am not talking about LGP, establishing LGP, or a block charge. I'm talking about getting into position to accurately make the call. So in my discussion, time and distance is very important and valid to the topic under discussion. If you can not handle that. Then maybe you need to quite drinking that kool-aide that's going around. I've warn you it's not good for you. Causes your brain to only see, hear, read one thing. That's not good.

I am starting to favor the opinion that most of you officials out here are the most uptight people in the world. You have to be right all the time. What's up with that? Is that the drawback or side effects of a lifetime of officiating. It poisons your brain? You have been into that rulebook so hard that certain words can not be used to describe a basketball situation because the rulebook uses it differently? Get over yourself!

Okay, rant is over, go back to hating on me and talking about LGP and block charge. I know your one-track mind can't handle nothing else.

I wouldn't expect anything less from anyone else on this Board, or any other official for that matter, to strive to perfection in every basketball game they work. If you don't strive for perfection, you shouldn't even be on a CYO game.

OOO....400 posts....do I get silver-plated fishnets????

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

I am starting to favor the opinion that most of you officials out here are the most uptight people in the world. You have to be right all the time. What's up with that? Is that the drawback or side effects of a lifetime of officiating. It poisons your brain? You have been into that rulebook so hard that certain words can not be used to describe a basketball situation because the rulebook uses it differently? Get over yourself!

Uptight? Naw, we just like to point out when you are wrong. The tally so far is 516 posts made by you, and 516 wrong. You're batting a cool 1.000. Also, you've tied the record for the dumbest post ever made on this forum 516 times. Congratulations.

You're well on the way to the Troll Hall of Fame.

[Adam]

Rainmaker, I think you hurt its feelings. Has anyone fed it today?

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Uptight? Naw, we just like to point out when you are wrong. The tally so far is 516 posts made by you, and 516 wrong. You're batting a cool 1.000. Also, you've tied the record for the dumbest post ever made on this forum 516 times. Congratulations.

You're well on the way to the Troll Hall of Fame.

Get over yourself, and repeat after me.

It's not all about me,
Again, it's not all about me.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

Get over yourself, and repeat after me.

It's not all about me,
Again, it's not all about me.

Congratulations.

You're now a perfect 517 for 517.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Congratulations.

You're now a perfect 517 for 517.

And you are still a perfect azz! Remember, it's not all about me.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

And you are still a perfect azz! Remember, it's not all about me.

518 ties for the dumbest post ever now. Again, congratulations.

[Adam]

JR, some of those 518 (and counting) posts should count as two or three, so the total number of ties may be unknowable.