Sure and I agree...after watching the replay and the kids reaction, I think the C might have made the call on the play.....which was contrary to my thinking before....You also hear two whistles, I don't know if it's a "double-tweeter" or two separate officials blowing their whistles...If the C did, he would have had the "look thru" to make the correct call...

That's why I said this is another close one. However, the distance, though I know Mark it's not relevent to the rule, but the time and distance factor between the players is what helped me to make this call, and get the play right.

Even if the player would have been airborne, he does not get to come down where he would have landed had the defender obtained LGP. Principles of vertically says you can go up and come back down in your space, but not 3 feet past where you started your jump or shot. The same rule would apply if you had a 3-point shooter get taken out by the defense before returning to the floor.

Time and distance for my sake in getting this call right is very beneficial. Use it to your advantage if it helps. Don't believe the garbage that Mark and the others will try and tell you (kool-aid) on time and distance. You remove that, like what we have in the other tread, and now I'm more so guessing at what I thought just happened. If I'm not 100% for sure, then just like baseball, tie goes to the runner, and the runner in baseball is the offense, which means BLOCK!!!! Here, charged, 100% sure.

MTD, repeat after me. There ain't no such thing as a Superman, which means there is no such thing as a super refereee. If you don't like me saying offensive foul. Then maybe you need to go back to hibernation, or whatever state you where in before I woke you up.

Peace....

There are no ties in baseball...either the runner beats the throw or he doesn't. Obviously you don't own or haven't read a baseball rules book either. :rolleyes:

No, don't believe Mark and the others. Read the rule for yourself, where it specifically says "Time and distance are not a factor...." Try basing it on time and distance, and you're going to call too many blocks.

Can you quote me the rule that says this?

So, you're saying the tie goes to the offense, but it's still a charge? And what rule, basketball or otherwise, do you use to back this assertion?

Quit drinking the Kool-Aid, Old School. These comments are absolutely incorrect, by rule. By using what <B>you</B> think is correct, then you are making it about Old School, not about the players. Remember, it's not about you, it's about the game...it's not about you, it's about the game...

In NCAA men's, once the ball leaves the shooters hand, and contact occurs at the basket, it's not an offensive foul, it's a common foul. In NFHS, it will be a CHARGE, no basket. So let's say in the video above. Let's say the shooter release the ball, but the defender still obtained LGP. Shooter momentum crashes into defender in LGP status, no basket, offensive foul or CHARGE!

You lost me on that one. If I got a tie, in other words I'm not sure I got offense or defense, and I got a major collision like what we discuss in the other tread. I got a block, defense everytime. I'm not taking the ball from the offense unless I'm sure. You see, my mind is clear. I don't drink the kool-aid.

When exactly does the defender obtain LGP? That's all that matters here.
Just to be clear, this is a "charge" no matter what. "Charge" simply means running through another player. The question is whether it's a player control foul.
You mis-spelled blank. I'm just sayin'.

So, what does that have to do with my question? Are you drinking too much Kool-Aid? The question was about the statement you made:
Again, the question is: what rule backs up your assertion?

It doesn't surprise me you're lost on this one. You have been drinking too much Kool-Aid. Where does it say in the rules that anytime you're not sure, it is a foul on the defense everytime?

Remember, every time you make a statement that is not backed up by rule, you are making it about yourself, not the game. You're the one drinking the Kool-Aid. Repeat after me: it's not about me, it's about the game...it's not about what I think, it's about the game...

Rushmore:

...sigh...it looks like I might be wrong; we could make it to 19 pages at this rate...

Appears we are off and running...

This is not saying that you can establish position while a player is airborne, right? You are meaning that as long as you have established before going airborne it doesn't matter how much ground you cover, if you run into the person its player-control! Just for my clarification...

I don't know what I've missed these last few days, if LGP is achieved then it's a charge....if not a block...if it's close you use your judgement and SELL THE CRAP out of it...

You got it, perfect! I will just add, view the whole play when it's really close. The more things you take into consideration, the beter your call will be, and the easier it will be to defend. Also, your calls will be more accurate. You go guessing and you put yourself at risk of being wrong. For me, the more time and space I have availalbe to me to view the whole play, the better I am at determining what exactly just happened and not reacting to what I think just happened. Somewhere it's written to see the whole play thru before making your decision.

There are only two things to take into consideration on an airborne shooter block/charge play. No, they're not time and distance.
First, see when the defense gets into position. Second, see when the offensive player left the floor. Third, know which happened first. Don't make it more complicated than that, or you'll end up complaining about the kool-aide.

I got a player control.