Fan Interference with Breakway Layup

[dhodges007]

Originally posted by Oz Referee
I have a problem with both giving the basket, and calling a T for several reasons:

1. The player might have missed the basket. (Or the shot clock expired, or an off the ball foul, or a myriad of other possibilites).

2. Can you guarentee that the spectator was supporting Team B? Here are some other possibilities:
i) Has personal grudge against that player
ii) Was drunk/high/just not-quite right in the head
iii) Doesn't follow Team B, but supports Team C which needs Team A to lose to make the finals.
iv) Supports Team A and hopes that the refs will grant the basket/call a T.

IMHO I believe the only action that could be taken, within the rules, is to stop play, reset the shot clock and grant a throw in to Team A. At this point it would probably be a good idea to explain your ruling to both coaches. Have the spectator removed, eithered by court management, or by security/police.

If he/she is on a break away...how would the shot clock expire? However, I think that is all you can do...I don't see where the justification is in giving a T and we can't determine whether or not he/she would have make the basket.

Dead ball...make sure the player is all right...OOB endline. Just to make things interesting, fan comes running on floor...A1 hits him after being tackled. What do you do? I surely don't blame him for swinging at the guy. Thoughts?!?

-Hodges

[Mark Dexter]

Fighting is defined (but not limited to) attacking an opponent. If the guy on the floor can't be given a T, he's not an opponent, and is fair game

[dhodges007]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter
Fighting is defined (but not limited to) attacking an opponent. If the guy on the floor can't be given a T, he's not an opponent, and is fair game

We had a thread here earlier this year where a starter hit one of his own players for not giving him the ball. T was given to that player for fighting. He is obviously not an opponent.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by dhodges007

We had a thread here earlier this year where a starter hit one of his own players for not giving him the ball. T was given to that player for fighting. He is obviously not an opponent.

I'd be more inclined to T the player fighting with someone in the stands. If two guys from the same team are going at it, I leave that alone.

[RookieDude]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Don't pose the question. If you think that's true, look it up and post the reference. Don't ask someone to find evidence to back up your stand.

Well excuse me Mr. BktBallRef...I thought this was a discussion board where people come to ask questions, pose questions, deliberate about questions and then let the memebers give their opinions. You know..."opinions are like bellybuttons, everybody's got one."

How do you know I didn't look all through the rule book trying to find an answer to my question. You "assumed" I didn't...and we all know what "*** u me" means.

Just a suggestion...but if a Rookie asks you a question...don't belittle him/her, help him/her find the answer. Other Rookies listening may learn from all your wisdom and experience.

Dude
P.S. Don't worry fellow officials, I will continue to ask the "stupid" questions at the risk of looking lazy to certain pompous officials. (Gee, I hope I spelled "pompous" correctly...I was too lazy to look it up in the dictionary)

[BktBallRef]

It didn't seem like a question as much as "That's not right, I think it's in the book, find it for me." No harm was meant. Just advice. Take it, leave it, or become defensive. It doesn't matter, it's up to you.

A Certain Pompous Official

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
It didn't seem like a question as much as "That's not right, I think it's in the book, find it for me." No harm was meant. Just advice. Take it, leave it, or become defensive. It doesn't matter, it's up to you.

A Certain Pompous Official

As far as I'm concerned you have a new name my friend!

[BktBallRef]

I've been called worse, like Todd!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
I've been called worse, like Todd!

How many damn times do I have to say I'm sorry?The flowers are in the mail!I'll never do it again.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:07 AM]

[BktBallRef]

[Oz Referee]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter

I'd be more inclined to T the player fighting with someone in the stands. If two guys from the same team are going at it, I leave that alone.

Mark, please tell me you're joking! If anyone on a team throws a punch during a game, whether it be at an opposing player, coach, official, fan, or team mate - then they get tossed. There are NO exceptions. To the best of my knowledge this applies at all levels of the game (and most other sports - excluding ice hockey, oh an boxing ).

If for nothing else, you have to toss them for unsportsmanlike conduct or "bringing the game into disrepute".

[Oz Referee]

Originally posted by dhodges007

If he/she is on a break away...how would the shot clock expire?

Well, how about this:

Team A inbounds ball in back court, Team B is pressing. B2 knocks ball out after TeamA has reached an 8 count in the backcourt. If this happens three times, then the shot clock would be down to anything from 10 or less. Team A breaks the press, has a fast break...etc...etc

I know it is improbable, but it is possible.

[Mark Dexter]

Yes, Oz Ref, if a player threw a punch at anyone, he/she would be ejected. (Especially in the intramural leagues I ref - the players argue with their teammates more than their opponents at times!)

[Oz Referee]

For a moment there I thought you were suggesting that teamates fighting shouldn't be penalised.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Oz Referee
For a moment there I thought you were suggesting that teamates fighting shouldn't be penalised.

What I might not do is charge the player with a technical foul - I don't know if I would give team B the chance for points in a case like this.