Jim Burr

[secondregionbug]

Why get on Welmer? He is cool and a great role model for young officials who are going to AA or NA!

[biz]

Look, obviously Welmer is a very good official or he wouldn't get all the assignments that he gets in major Div I college hoops. That being said you cannot compare Welmer to Jim Burr because of one very simple stat....

Final Fours officiated: Jim Burr -- 15
Steve Welmer -- 0

Final Fours separate the very good from the great and the Welmer's from the Burr's

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by biz

Look, obviously Welmer is a very good official or he wouldn't get all the assignments that he gets in major Div I college hoops. That being said you cannot compare Welmer to Jim Burr because of one very simple stat....

Final Fours officiated: Jim Burr -- 15
Steve Welmer -- 0

Final Fours separate the very good from the great and the Welmer's from the Burr's

Biz, thanks for the statistic. I can agree with your assesment. I would like to repeat: contrary to what some believe, this is about officiating and nothing personal.

[socalreff]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Biz, thanks for the statistic. I can agree with your assesment. I would like to repeat: contrary to what some believe, this is about officiating and nothing personal.

That's a major problem for a great number of officials: being able to separate off the court from on the court. A lot of people view critique of officiating performance as a personal attack. It would be interesting to see how officials would be rated if it was only by their partners. I think most officials would struggle to give honest ratings of people they work with all the time.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by socalreff

That's a major problem for a great number of officials:

But not for officials who are truly trying to improve and move to another level. That's why we go to camp, to be critiqued; to be criticized. I agree that many officials don't want to hear an honest critique; but I would suggest that the vast majority of those people are not working to improve their officiating. I see very few people at camp who refuse to accept an honest critique.

It would be interesting to see how officials would be rated if it was only by their partners. I think most officials would struggle to give honest ratings of people they work with all the time.

My college association has each member rate each of his/her partners over the entire season. It's done anonymously and I think pretty much everybody participates.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

But not for officials who are truly trying to improve and move to another level. That's why we go to camp, to be critiqued; to be criticized. I agree that many officials don't want to hear an honest critique; but I would suggest that the vast majority of those people are not working to improve their officiating. I see very few people at camp who refuse to accept an honest critique.

As a group I believe officials are among the most open to criticism people on the planet. But having to take a lot of criticism officials tend to block out the criticism that is not productive. Which is why people who generally offer non-productive criticism often think most officials do not accept ctiticism well.

But I really know very, very few officials who do not accept and welcome honest, productive criticism.

[jkjenning]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

As a group I believe officials are among the most open to criticism people on the planet. But having to take a lot of criticism officials tend to block out the criticism that is not productive. Which is why people who generally offer non-productive criticism often think most officials do not accept ctiticism well.

But I really know very, very few officials who do not accept and welcome honest, productive criticism.

Absolutely - the willingness to provide honest criticism is one of the traits I most appreciate about officials as a group. It's fabulous... even though you get the criticism delivered in all different sorts of ways/attitudes you still appreciate that something honest, important and helpful is being told directly to you!