Jim Burr

[Rich]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

AWWWWW It's so good to see the old seasoned vets, who are in 30+ years of experience club, stick together.

By the way, I could care less about Jim Burr as an official who gets plays right, cause I think he gets just a few more right than Steve Welmer (who doesn't get many) but I respect the man for what and how has contributed to the game and for the many yrs. of service he has provided. I believe he is truly a legend in the officiating community and should be in the hall of fame when and if he ever retires.

Nice dig at Welmer.

If he wasn't at the top of his game, he wouldn't get hired anymore.

[jontheref]

Jim Burr's T was just the normal run of the mill T. If he is chewing anyone out he is chewing out the "C" in the Nova game who called a marginal offensive call directly in front of Burr. If its a big game and you get Burr in it I think that one should feel comfortable that the right call is going to be made. I don't get why he is so maligned.

[socalreff]

Originally Posted by jontheref

Jim Burr's T was just the normal run of the mill T. If he is chewing anyone out he is chewing out the "C" in the Nova game who called a marginal offensive call directly in front of Burr. If its a big game and you get Burr in it I think that one should feel comfortable that the right call is going to be made. I don't get why he is so maligned.

He's maligned because he's on TV all the time, so he has a high percentage of visibility for all of us peons to critique. More media games and plays equals more you get wrong publically.

[socalreff]

Also, they would have a much better chance of getting more plays right if they wouldn't call across the key all the time as Lead. Half the time I'm watching, it seems like they don't know there is a Center on the court.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

I kinda stole the back-handed compliment from Jim Rome. He says to "always have a take" on things and so I do, and that is it.

What an incredible idiot to look up to. You're mother must be so proud.

You've got a helluva lot to learn.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

I kinda stole the back-handed compliment from Jim Rome. He says to "always have a take" on things and so I do, and that is it.

I suppose if you get paid by the word it makes sense to "always have a take" on things.

Of course, it also makes makes to speak as if there's more than half a brain behind the sh1t that comes out of your mouth.

[canuckrefguy]

Oh my.

It IS that time of year again, isn't it?

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yup, gotta make room for the new breed that don't know or understand the rules and also like to make up some of their own rules--like calling automatic blocks on secondary defenders who have LGP, or "T"s for slapping the backboard while trying to block a shot. Jmo, but I don't think that Burr, Welmer or any other D1 official currently breathing is gonna lose any sleep worrying about you replacing them at any time in the forseeable future.

Other than being an official that (supposedly) just finished his very first year of high school ball, do you have any other qualifications that would enable you to so accurately judge the competency or lack thereof of top-level D1 basketball officials?

I wouldn't worry about me coming to steal one of there spots anytime soon either. I don't even know if I will ever even get to work a Div. I game ever.

And as far as Welmer being at the top, I don't know if Gerald Bodreaux hired him this year, but I heard John Guthrie fired him when he was the Supervisor of officials cause he didn't think he could get a play right (don't know if that is entirely true, but I can see it being logical)

[Rich]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

I wouldn't worry about me coming to steal one of there spots anytime soon either. I don't even know if I will ever even get to work a Div. I game ever.

And as far as Welmer being at the top, I don't know if Gerald Bodreaux hired him this year, but I heard John Guthrie fired him when he was the Supervisor of officials cause he didn't think he could get a play right (don't know if that is entirely true, but I can see it being logical)

Oh, let's hold the SEC assignor up as a great indicator of how good an official Welmer is.

Then let's all laugh out loud.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Oh, let's hold the SEC assignor up as a great indicator of how good an official Welmer is.

Then let's all laugh out loud.

He has sent more guys to the NBA through his umbrella system then you will ever know.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

He has sent more guys to the NBA through his umbrella system then you will ever know.

Some of us don't hold the NBA as the ultimate ideal. Matter of fact, I haven't watched an NBA game in about 5 years.

If I'm turning on an ESPN and seeing Burr/Welmer 5-6 nights a week, it's a good indication that these are the best guys. Commissioners aren't going to put their necks on the line for guys they don't trust. There's an old saying that "you don't get fired for buying IBM." Well, you won't get fired hiring Burr and Welmer. They're too solid and I can't remember a ****storm ever coming down in one of their games.

The only ****storm I remember with a big time, regular official is the Valentine/Knight incident.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Some of us don't hold the NBA as the ultimate ideal. Matter of fact, I haven't watched an NBA game in about 5 years.

If I'm turning on an ESPN and seeing Burr/Welmer 5-6 nights a week, it's a good indication that these are the best guys. Commissioners aren't going to put their necks on the line for guys they don't trust. There's an old saying that "you don't get fired for buying IBM." Well, you won't get fired hiring Burr and Welmer. They're too solid and I can't remember a ****storm ever coming down in one of their games.

The only ****storm I remember with a big time, regular official is the Valentine/Knight incident.

Don't misinterpret what I'm saying now. I think Burr and Welmer are good... at managing the game, but as far as getting plays right they could never touch an NBA official.

Maybe you don't hold NBA refs in such high regard, but I think when you ref the highest level, at the highest stage, with the best athletes in the world and have a 94% accuracy rate that's dang good in my books. You might disagree with that, but I just do not believe that get near that many plays right.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Don't misinterpret what I'm saying now. I think Burr and Welmer are good... at managing the game, but as far as getting plays right they could never touch an NBA official.

Maybe you don't hold NBA refs in such high regard, but I think when you ref the highest level, at the highest stage, with the best athletes in the world and have a 94% accuracy rate that's dang good in my books. You might disagree with that, but I just do not believe that get near that many plays right.

What is right? Every foul call is subjective -- was there advantage/disadvantage to the point where the official decided to call a foul?

I live in Big 10 territory and the officials let the players play. It's a very physical league. How could you possibly say those officials are right? Or wrong?

[tomegun]

Wow, all of this has been going on and I haven't been involved? I have a take on this too! Surprise, surprise!

I wouldn't lump Welmer and Burr together.

Everyone on here should know I don't think much of Welmer. Sure, he hasn't been in many controversial situations. That will NEVER happen as long as he only calls the SUPER DUPER REALLY REALLY REALLY obvious calls. No matter what league it is, he is only going to call the obvious and not very much of those. The Big 10's physical play has nothing to do with it.

Burr is a great official, but he calls all over the court too much. I think he can still get it done, he just calls everything. There are many officials who work D1 and expect a double whistle all the time regardless of where the call is on the court. Not good.

Rich, was Valentine wrong? Are you afraid to make the controversial call? You say Welmer and Burr must be at the top of their game because they get hired. Doesn't the same apply for Valentine? He is in the ACC, SEC and Big 10; he must be doing something right too and I'm sure he's been to more final fours than Welmer.

I think it is funny when someone says an official who is doing D1 basketball is automatically good and right. I mentioned this on another thread; officials are hired and hid all the time. It is a fact. Officials are also hired for different reasons - not only their ability. I can understand our (people on this forum) disdain for fanboys, but to some extent some of us are fanboys too. D1 officials make mistakes and they do not all have equal talent. Just like officials at the high school and JC level, the best officials do not always do the most or best games. Knowing that, some of us sure are drinking some strange Kool-Aid!

[blindmanwalking]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Don't misinterpret what I'm saying now. I think Burr and Welmer are good... at managing the game, but as far as getting plays right they could never touch an NBA official.

Maybe you don't hold NBA refs in such high regard, but I think when you ref the highest level, at the highest stage, with the best athletes in the world and have a 94% accuracy rate that's dang good in my books. You might disagree with that, but I just do not believe that get near that many plays right.

Are you seriously comparing college officials to NBA officials? I'm not knocking the NBA guys because they are calling the game the way they are told to (I assume), however, the blatant rules violations and fouls that are never called puts nearly and college or top high school official above NBA guys IMO. I rarely watch NBA ball for this reason.