Jim Burr

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yes, I think that Welmer is a great official. One of the best. I also disagree with you that he is afraid to make tough calls, which is basically what you are intimating.

You obviously don't like him personally. Also obviously, the people that count do like him though. That's all that matters. He works multi-conferences, is on a pile of big games and always goes late into the tournament.

There are no perfect officials.

I think I know what you mean, but to say I don't like him personally means there is something there besides my opinion of the way he officiates and that is not the case.
I also would disagree about him making tough calls.
How "deep" does he normally go in the tournament?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I think I know what you mean, but to say I don't like him personally means there is something there besides my opinion of the way he officiates and that is not the case.

Well, Tom, from the shots that you take at the guy, it would be hard to think otherwise than you didn't like him personally. You certainly seem to go out of your way to dump on him. That's fine though. Everybody gets to have their own opinion.

And as for how far he's gone in tournaments and how many assignors he's got, sorry, I try to keep right away from that kind of nonsense. I'll leave that to the fanboys, stripe-sniffers and haters. Personally, imo if they're working constantly and consistently at the D1 level, then they're a good official. Period. That doesn't mean that they're not gonna screw up every now and then though. They're good, but they're also human.

[secondregionbug]

Why get on Welmer? He is cool and a great role model for young officials who are going to AA or NA!

[biz]

Look, obviously Welmer is a very good official or he wouldn't get all the assignments that he gets in major Div I college hoops. That being said you cannot compare Welmer to Jim Burr because of one very simple stat....

Final Fours officiated: Jim Burr -- 15
Steve Welmer -- 0

Final Fours separate the very good from the great and the Welmer's from the Burr's

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by biz

Look, obviously Welmer is a very good official or he wouldn't get all the assignments that he gets in major Div I college hoops. That being said you cannot compare Welmer to Jim Burr because of one very simple stat....

Final Fours officiated: Jim Burr -- 15
Steve Welmer -- 0

Final Fours separate the very good from the great and the Welmer's from the Burr's

Biz, thanks for the statistic. I can agree with your assesment. I would like to repeat: contrary to what some believe, this is about officiating and nothing personal.

[socalreff]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Biz, thanks for the statistic. I can agree with your assesment. I would like to repeat: contrary to what some believe, this is about officiating and nothing personal.

That's a major problem for a great number of officials: being able to separate off the court from on the court. A lot of people view critique of officiating performance as a personal attack. It would be interesting to see how officials would be rated if it was only by their partners. I think most officials would struggle to give honest ratings of people they work with all the time.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by socalreff

That's a major problem for a great number of officials:

But not for officials who are truly trying to improve and move to another level. That's why we go to camp, to be critiqued; to be criticized. I agree that many officials don't want to hear an honest critique; but I would suggest that the vast majority of those people are not working to improve their officiating. I see very few people at camp who refuse to accept an honest critique.

It would be interesting to see how officials would be rated if it was only by their partners. I think most officials would struggle to give honest ratings of people they work with all the time.

My college association has each member rate each of his/her partners over the entire season. It's done anonymously and I think pretty much everybody participates.