Should a state association accomodate a religious school for the playoffs?

[cmathews]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The NCAA specifically accomodates BYU by placing them in a bracket which plays on Thursday and Saturday, not Friday and Sunday in the basketball tournaments.

they actually go further than that....Thursday Saturday brackets sometimes feed Friday, Sunday.. A couple years ago, it was mentioned that the NCAA was set to move them to another "pod" if they advanced to avoid the Sunday thing. I personally think it is wrong to make the accomodations, other Christians also observe the Sabbath on Sunday, Notre Dame doesn't hesitate to play on Sunday in tournaments. I also would be willing to bet that you can find plenty of people playing basketball in Provo on Sunday...this isn't "working" on the Sabbath, it is playing....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by cmathews

they actually go further than that....Thursday Saturday brackets sometimes feed Friday, Sunday.. A couple years ago, it was mentioned that the NCAA was set to move them to another "pod" if they advanced to avoid the Sunday thing.

This was done because the committee overlooked the fact BYU was scheduled to play on a Sunday if they won the first round that year. BYU lost and it was not an issue.

Peace

[cmathews]

Yep JRut hit it on the head.....I just hate that they do it...In the name of discrimination/persectution it is just as damaging to make accomodations for one group over the interests of another in my opinion.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by cmathews

other Christians also observe the Sabbath on Sunday,

Originally Posted by REF in PA

They are accommodating the traditional Sabbath for most Christians

Nobody observes the Sabbath on Sunday. The Sabbath, by definition, is the last day of the week when God rested after creation. It's Saturday, specifically sunset Friday through sunset Saturday.

Christians who "rest" on Sunday observe "the Lord's day" because it's the day that Jesus rose from the dead.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Nobody observes the Sabbath on Sunday. The Sabbath, by definition, is the last day of the week when God rested after creation. It's Saturday, specifically sunset Friday through sunset Saturday.

Christians who "rest" on Sunday observe "the Lord's day" because it's the day that Jesus rose from the dead.

Semantics. This is the Jewish (as well as some Christian sects', such as Seventh Day Adventists) definition. It's probably more correct, historically. However, many Christians do observe the Sabbath on Sunday as a matter of practice. That's why many businesses are closed (Hobby Lobby and Chick Filet for example), most high school associations don't play games on Sundays, and some states prohibit alcohol sales on Sunday.
While most don't observe this as a hard and fast rule, many do.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Semantics.

I respectfully disagree. It's a matter of definition. If I say, "I'm a bachelor" and you say, "No, you're not. You're married," I can't say, "Ah, that's just semantics". This is the same thing. The Sabbath is Saturday, the last day of the week because that's when God rested. That's the definition of "Sabbath". You can't just say it's Sunday because that's when Christians go to church.

However, many Christians do observe the Sabbath on Sunday as a matter of practice.

No, they don't. They observe the Lord's Day on Sunday to commemorate Jesus' resurrection.

You can't open presents on October 31st and call it Christmas. You can open presents on October 31st, sure. But that doesn't make it Christmas. And you can rest on Sunday. But that doesn't make it the Sabbath.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I respectfully disagree. It's a matter of definition. If I say, "I'm a bachelor" and you say, "No, you're not. You're married," I can't say, "Ah, that's just semantics". This is the same thing. The Sabbath is Saturday, the last day of the week because that's when God rested. That's the definition of "Sabbath". You can't just say it's Sunday because that's when Christians go to church.

You're making a theological distinction that I happen to agree with. However, if you asked which day is the Sabbath, many (I'd venture to say most) Christians would answer "Sunday." Christmas is only 12-25 because that's when most people celebrate. If we wanted to change it to 10-31 and got people to sign on, we absolutely would call it that.

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

No, they don't. They observe the Lord's Day on Sunday to commemorate Jesus' resurrection.

Again, you're making a theological distinction I happen to agree with. However, as it pertains to popular usage....

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

You can't open presents on October 31st and call it Christmas. You can open presents on October 31st, sure. But that doesn't make it Christmas. And you can rest on Sunday. But that doesn't make it the Sabbath.

True enough, but it doesn't mean these folks aren't observing the Sabbath that way. How often have you opened Christmas presents on 12-24? My family has gotten together the first week of January on occasion to celebrate Christmas (to include opening presents).
There are, most years, two official Easter Sundays. Which one is correct? Do we really know which day of the week God rested? No, of course not.

[Scrapper1]

Just to keep this (slightly) connected to basketball. . .

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

if you asked which day is the Sabbath, many (I'd venture to say most) Christians would answer "Sunday."

And if you asked what the signal for "over the back" is, many if not most coaches would give you the Frankenstein (or whatever it was called recently).

The fact that most Christians don't really understand the details of their religion is no reason to perpetuate the incorrect "normal usage".

[Adam]

For a moment, I was getting caught up in connecting the theological debate over the rightful Sabbath Day with the basketball issue at hand. Then I realized this is off topic because the group that wants the accomodation is actually one of the few who recognize the Sabbath as Saturday rather than Sunday.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

No, they don't. They observe the Lord's Day on Sunday to commemorate Jesus' resurrection.

Is that where He rolls the rock away from inside his cave on Easter Monday? And He steps outside to the awe and amazement of the gathered masses? And if He then sees his shadow, we get six more weeks of winter?

Huh, huh?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Is that where He rolls the rock away from inside his cave on Easter Monday? And He steps outside to the awe and amazement of the gathered masses? And if He then sees his shadow, we get six more weeks of winter?

I really hope you like the smell of brimstone

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I really hope you like the smell of brimstone

At his age, anything that promises he'll be warm forever, is a good thing

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

You can't open presents on October 31st and call it Christmas.

Sure you can because Oct 31 = Dec 25

Let's keep the rest of the religious stuff off the board, lest this turn into a discussion similar to those surrounding race. Suffice it to say that, for whatever reason, BYU (and other institutions / states, etc.) chooses not to play on Sundays.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Sure you can because Oct 31 = Dec 25

Ummm, no it doesn't.

Let's keep the rest of the religious stuff off the board, lest this turn into a discussion similar to those surrounding race.

I have no problem with that, Bob. I was not intending to do anything other than point out the incorrect usage of the word "Sabboth". I didn't mean to get into religion at all, just linguistics.

[eyezen]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Sure you can because Oct 31 = Dec 25

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Ummm, no it doesn't.

Uhmmm yes it does. Go find a calculator.

It's junior high calculator humor.

We're all going to '7734'