Junk - so, the HIGHER the level I work, the MORE unsportsmanlike conduct I should put up with? :confused:

He is basically saying that the lower the level, the less you tolerate. You may warn at the higher level because the participants will understand where you are coming from. The lower level coach or player has no little understanding where the line is. You have to ultimately have to decide where for yourself where that line is.

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I don't know if I would go that far, I think everyone gets the point but you. The official took a DIRECT insult, that's like a direct unprotected body shot in boxing. On the battlefield, that's like getting hit with a bullet and continuing to fight, paving the way for the others. By not giving the coach a T, it preserved the integrity of the game, and also the integrity for the C. A double win. I didn't mention that. This guy knocked down two birds with one stone, one no-call. He hits the C with a T and half the parents are going to be piss at him for getting that T so late in a 1 point game. The ones that saw the play would have really been upset b/c the kid didn't get foul, he just fell on the floor. In HS or college, that could've ended his career. It turned out that the team still lost, so preserving that T saved the coaches face with his supporters. Okay, I'll back down on the metal but we got to give him a stripe for that one, he earned it here.

I read somewhere out here where a poster said, sometimes a no call, is the best call! Being that the team still lost, the no-call becomes even bigger, imo. You see, it would not have changed anything which means it was the best thing to do. The game ended normally which shows the protection for the game, which is what everybody wanted to see happen. Calling the T would have sour the normal ending, tainted the winning teams victory, got the coaches all upset with you, now you got a confrontation you might have to deal with, and the coach never swore. You know we already talked about that thin skin of yours. If you going to call a T on the coach late in the game, make sure he earns it.

No, I got the analogy, and words can't describe how inappropriate it is. Taking an insult is nothing like taking a bullet. To even compare the two is insulting to Medal of Honor winners, who did a hell of a lot more than take an insult to get that award. You were better off not mentioning it, because it's bogus. He didn't call it because he didn't want to "decide the game." He allowed the coach to question his integrity without consequence. Who cares? It's 10 year old boys. What would happen to a hs coach or a college coach is beyond irrelevant. Making that comment is beyond the pale, it's beyond an emotional outburst. It's a coach using an emotional moment as an excuse to verbally attack an official and accuse him of a personal bias. HS and college coaches know better, so he wouldn't have to worry about it at that level. Again with the irrelevant facts. I don't care who wins or loses. The fact that you didn't give a T to a deserving coach doesn't become ok just because he loses the game anyway. I'ts a non sequiter. Only in so far as he learned a lesson on how he wants to handle it next time. I'm not going to say every official should call this a T ever time; but I will and every decent official I know personally would as well. The only experienced guys I know who won't are strictly working ms and ymca ball.
Apples and oranges. That refers to situations where there's really no advantage on a contact situation. It has nothing at all to do with sportsmanship issues. This is just inane. It doesn't mean crap. It only means the official wants to just get his check and go home. (Note, I'm not saying that's why the OP didn't make this call. I'm saying it's how OS's reasoning comes across.)No, the game didn't end normally. It ended with a coach having called a ref's integrity into question without consequence. And I don't give a rat's a$$ if he swore or not here; except that adding an F-bomb might make it flagrant. It's not about me. It's not about thick or thin skin. It's about preserving the respect for the game and the officials. I couldn't care less what he thinks about me; he could think I've taken a bribe to throw the game to the other team for all I care; but he's not going to accuse me of cheating. He can make his point, and express his emotions, another way. If he can't, he'd best find another hobby.

And to paraphrase another ref on this board, he'll be done coaching before I'm done officiating.

Not necessarily, but sometimes. As Rut says, you can give warnings more effectively at that level. Also, the players have learned better sportsmanship by that level; for a couple of reasons. First of all, they've got more experience playing and watching Rasheed Wallace on TV is a smaller part of their greater basketball experience.
Second, the coaching is better, so the kids are taught by their coaches to cut it out. There are exceptions, but that's why we have the T.

That again ties for the stoopidest post ever on this forum.

Not giving a deserved "T" doesn't preserve the integrity of anything. It just points out that an official has no balls. You <b>never</b> walk away from a direct insult.

That's another great statement. Don't call a deserved "T" because it might piss of the fans. And if you do piss off the fans, that's gonna end your career.

You've now gone past the point of "that's so dumb that you just have to laugh at it" and you're approaching "Good Lord, have you ever <b>seen</b> a damn basketball game, let alone officiated in one?".

Whack.

End of story.

I would have T'ed him. He made you look like a bad person in front of the packed gym. He disrespected and in youth sports that warrants a T since coaches are to be role models for the kids.

Why does that stupid clown still have an account?!?!?! :mad:

We're on a bb forum, try to keep your focus on that! It was used as an example, not a matter of fact, some referees are wound way too tight!

This is where I think you all need to take a step back. You have admitted that if this was a higher level game, you would have just given a warning, but since it's a lower level game, you call it differently. My position is why call a game 2 different ways, depending on what level you're working. If it's a technical at the lower level, then it's a technical at the higher level. Also, you are completely naive if you think this type of communications doesn't occur at the upper levels. It might even be worse at the upper levels because more is at stake. My position is to develop your tolerance level so that it's the same, no matter what lever you are working.

If you feel that this comment was a direct attack on your character. You need to get out more. Believe me, it gets much worse than that. Have you ever heard somebody say things in the heat of battle that they wish they didn't say? If you have ever coach a competitive game of bb, you will know that there are times when you say things out of emotion of the moment that you wish you didn't. And I just don't mean saying things that are out of line to the officials. BB is an emotional sport and as officials, we can't be emotional too, we can't get caught up in the heat of the moment. Being a good official requires balance in everything we do on the court, including dealing with emotions. I know that the majority of you disagree with this position. What this tells me is the majority of you will remain where you are at, because you think it's all about you. How did the one poster say it. "You let the coach insult YOU in front of everyone and get away with it. You just keep calling technicals everytime a coach says something to you that you don't like and see how far that takes you.

Well, it'll probably take you out of rec league ball. Is that far enough?

That's not nice. I don't think JR's stupid.

Keep your "examples" and analogies within the realm of appropriate, and we'll be fine.

Show me where someone who said they'd T here said they'd give a warning in HS. I didn't. I'd T this in a high school game as well and not lose any sleep over it.No, you need to get out more. Coaches at upper levels know better and can control their emotions. It's true, it's true. I've seen it.
I know you don't get this, but calling a T isn't an emotional experience. In fact, it's more often than not a very calming one for the coach involved. You don't have any clue what it takes to be a mediocre official, how are you going to tell someone how to be a good one?

Am so....

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Comparing a sport to combat is a bad analogy, but if you are going to do it in this situation, it would be more like the enemy surrendering then pulling out a gun and shooting you when you go to detain him.