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[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You and others have said that "profanity" from a player required an ejection. We are not talking about the OP any more. Part of this conversation has even been about when and why an ejection is appropriate. We stopped talking only about the OP a long time ago. Even the OPer said that he would be OK with my point of view if I gave a T. Profanity has a very, very, very broad definition to it. I also asked this before about what is the definition of profanity and no one seems to want to answer that question. Even if the "F-Word" was used, it is not an automatic to me. Automatic to me means without thought, without any consideration of other facts and without circumstances. If people get their panties all in a bunch when someone says "always" or "never" I really do not understand why "automatic" is a better phrase for something that is never with the same set of circumstances? You do not have to answer. I just am making a statement.

Peace

I never once said that profanity = ejection.

I said, and correctly so, that the phrase in the original post = ejection.

Let's look at it this way:

Profanity, by rule, is a t'able offense.

Remarks directed at an official showing displeasure about a call is also a t'able offense.

The original post had a phrase that had 2 t'able offenses in it...1 + 1 = 2 and an ejection.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

I never once said that profanity = ejection.

I said, and correctly so, that the phrase in the original post = ejection.

We have long left just talking only about the original post.

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Let's look at it this way:

Profanity, by rule, is a t'able offense.

Remarks directed at an official showing displeasure about a call is also a t'able offense.

The original post had a phrase that had 2 t'able offenses in it...1 + 1 = 2 and an ejection.

Who said this was not T'able offenses? I do not recall a single person in this entire thread (please show me were anyone said this BTW) that said there would not be a T. I do know that outside of profanity, I would address situations and have addressed situations long before we get to the profanity. I do not allow questioning of calls period without myself saying something to the participant. Last night in my playoff game I addressed an issue with a coach and no profanity was used, but I felt his yelling was not acceptable to me. Now I know there are officials that will just allow similar behavior continue all game long and then T when the behavior has escalated. I bet in this OP this was not the first personal comment the entire night. I am sure other comments were let go and this was the height of the frustration of a player.

I am also not saying the officials are completely at fault. I am saying that these comments to not just the first inappropriate comments during the game. I have never had a player after the first call just curse me out when the call does not go their way. Usually this is something that escalates over time.

Peace

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

We have long left just talking only about the original post.



Who said this was not T'able offenses? I do not recall a single person in this entire thread (please show me were anyone said this BTW) that said there would not be a T. I do know that outside of profanity, I would address situations and have addressed situations long before we get to the profanity. I do not allow questioning of calls period without myself saying something to the participant. Last night in my playoff game I addressed an issue with a coach and no profanity was used, but I felt his yelling was not acceptable to me. Now I know there are officials that will just allow similar behavior continue all game long and then T when the behavior has escalated. I bet in this OP this was not the first personal comment the entire night. I am sure other comments were let go and this was the height of the frustration of a player.

I am also not saying the officials are completely at fault. I am saying that these comments to not just the first inappropriate comments during the game. I have never had a player after the first call just curse me out when the call does not go their way. Usually this is something that escalates over time.

Peace

Even if it does escalate over time, and the player has been talked to or whatever, prior to the objectionable phrase, just how does that change the punishment for the offense?

That's the major hole in your argument.

The player may have had his girlfriend break up with him just before the game. He could have issues with friends...at home...drugs...any number of things that could cause an immediate reaction.

Perhaps it did build and the officials talked to him...asked the coach to get involved before he said what he said.

None of that matters to how you handle what was said, when and if he says it.

Our job is to judge the action and penalize appropriately.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Even if it does escalate over time, and the player has been talked to or whatever, prior to the objectionable phrase, just how does that change the punishment for the offense?

That's the major hole in your argument.

The player may have had his girlfriend break up with him just before the game. He could have issues with friends...at home...drugs...any number of things that could cause an immediate reaction.

Perhaps it did build and the officials talked to him...asked the coach to get involved before he said what he said.

None of that matters to how you handle what was said, when and if he says it.

Our job is to judge the action and penalize appropriately.

There is no major hole in my argument, you just do not agree with it.

Peace

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There is no major hole in my argument, you just do not agree with it.

Peace

Funny, I spelled out the flaw completely, you just choose to ignore it.

The hole is so big that there is an echo.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Funny, I spelled out the flaw completely, you just choose to ignore it.

The hole is so big that there is an echo.

I ignored it because I do not agree with it and it would be repetitive to keep saying the same thing over and over again (like I am doing now). Are you someone that speaks I have to agree with? You do not address the points I make, so why are you so special?

Peace