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[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What about it? Are you ejected all comments without profanity and a high volume?

I also tend to set a tone that I am not the one. I cannot speak for what the rest of you do.

Peace

Every time a player says "you're (adjective)" where the adjective is negative, I eject. EVERY time. Without question, without fail. Period. Last year I had someone in a dugout yell out, "You're brutal," and I tossed him without a second thought.

Maybe it's my baseball background, but I don't tolerate that in any sport I work. Yell at the stripes, don't yell at me.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Every time a player says "you're (adjective)" where the adjective is negative, I eject. EVERY time. Without question, without fail. Period. Last year I had someone in a dugout yell out, "You're brutal," and I tossed him without a second thought.

Maybe it's my baseball background, but I don't tolerate that in any sport I work. Yell at the stripes, don't yell at me.

That is fine with me. I am not going to eject for that alone.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Every time a player says "you're (adjective)" where the adjective is negative, I eject. EVERY time. Without question, without fail. Period. Last year I had someone in a dugout yell out, "You're brutal," and I tossed him without a second thought.

Maybe it's my baseball background, but I don't tolerate that in any sport I work. Yell at the stripes, don't yell at me.

They can ALWAYS find an excellent reason to talk themselves into NOT ejecting someone, Rich. And they wonder why some coaches and players are out of control. It's because they're afraid to control them.

Sad.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

They can ALWAYS find an excellent reason to talk themselves into NOT ejecting someone, Rich. And they wonder why some coaches and players are out of control. It's because they're afraid to control them.

Sad.

They are not out of control in my games.

Peace

[Old School]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

They are not out of control in my games.

Peace

They are not out of control in my games either!!

[REFVA]

I'm going to throw a curve to this thread. what if it were your child cursing to an adult or a referee or at you. Would you ignore it and let it go?

[PIAA REF]

IMO it doesn't matter who it is or when it is. It will be my judgement and being it my judgement I will be consistent. I will T someone up for swearing at me, but I will not eject them. I will give them the opportunity to settle themselves down. Just because I may be more lenient than some and maybe even stricter than others imo is nether right nor wrong this again is the officials judgement. I have given out 6 T's this year. All have been on players and all have been for taunting another player except one, One was on a player who reacted to my partners call and pulled his shirt out. People also IMO have to understand that T's (whether right or wrong) are given out more in some places and less in some places. EX: In my area we don't give many out, however a new official who moved in from NC was used to giving plenty out. He said that is how they did it there. My main purpose of this example is the bottom line is no matter what game you are on or where it is be consistent. Don't let it go one night and not the next.
IMO

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by Old School

They are not out of control in my games either!!

Mine either.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

They are not out of control in my games.

Well, if you let players swear AT you, then imo they sureashell ARE out of control. There's a big difference between swearing and a player calling you names. And there's also a big difference between high school and D1 basketball.

No wonder the OJ Mayo's of the world feel that they can get away with anything. With some officials, they can.

Again, jmo. If you and the others feel that it's OK for high school players to swear at you and them, be my guest. Calling a regular ol' "T" is meaningless. They'll never learn a thing from that, except that they can get away with it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Well, if you let players swear AT you, then imo they sureashell ARE out of control. There's a big difference between swearing and a player calling you names. And there's also a big difference between high school and D1 basketball.

Stop the hyperbole. I did not say I let anyone do anything. I would gladly punish such actions, I just do not feel on its surface this is an "automatic" ejection. If you do feel it is, knock yourself out. I stop players from complain at all about any call. So usually it does not get to that level.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

No wonder the OJ Mayo's of the world feel that they can get away with anything. With some officials, they can.

The OJ Mayo situation has absolutely nothing to do with this. Once again, more hyperbole.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Again, jmo. If you and the others feel that it's OK for high school players to swear at you and them, be my guest. Calling a regular ol' "T" is meaningless. They'll never learn a thing from that, except that they can get away with it.

I realize this is an emotional issue for you and you feel that you have to right all the wrongs across the country, whether it is a rules issue or why we should not listen to Referee Magazine. I think your passion is admirable on the surface, but please do not tell me why I should do something because you think it is wrong. I know we do not agree on other issues that I feel are very moral and you do not see me beating you over the head with my opinion. OJ Mayo did this in West Virginia, he did not do this in places that would have gotten him a punch back (I am kind of kidding). So OJ is used to officials giving a damn about his status. I live in an area where OJ would just be another so-called superstar and officials would not care what that kid thought. Ask fellow McDonald's American Derrick Rose and see if officials bended over backwards to make him feel special where I live?

Please do not tell me what I should do or not do in my games. I have enough experience and been through enough fires in my career in 3 sports that I can form an opinion that works for me. If you feel you need to throw someone out and fill out paper work because they used a curse word that is your right to feel that way. I have had great success with problem players and they seemed to get the message to what I do not want them to do. If you do not have that ability or want to do that, go right ahead.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think your passion is admirable on the surface, but please do not tell me why I should do something because you think it is wrong.

I'm not telling you to do a damn thing.

Again, if you and Old School and the others feel that it's OK for a high school aged player to swear directly AT you, call YOU names, etc., and basically just give 'em a slap on the wrist, then good for all of you. Enjoy yourselves. Hey, when a game gets out of sight, all the players on the losing team can take turns swearing at you. What's a "T" at that time? It's not like any of 'em would ever have to worry about...gasp....maybe being thrown out of a game or sumthin'.

Personally, I won't put up with that crap from high school players or coaches. Never have, never will. That's just me though. Do what you gotta do.

[NewNCref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Do what you gotta do.

I think you hit the nail on the head here, JR. Everyone has their way of handling things, and in this situation, mine would be a flagrant T. As people have pointed out, this can be due to reasons such as where you're from, your game management ability, and how you feel about profanity in general. Though JRut's opinion on this differs from mine, if he feels that the way he handles it works best for him, then I'm not going to take that away from him.

First of all, that post was written last night as a vent. Had they given just a regular T, I probably would not have made the post at all, and I think we can all agree that the statement, at least, was deserving of a T. I would have gone flagrant, JRut wouldn't. Had JRut been at the game last night, and called the T (as I believe he already said he would have) then this post would have never made it here.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Again, if you and Old School and the others feel that it's OK for a high school aged player to swear directly AT you, call YOU names, etc., and basically just give 'em a slap on the wrist, then good for all of you.

You are so over the top. You really need to get out more. Nobody ever said it was okay. It's how I choose to deal with it that's an issue.

Originally Posted by blindzebra

I think it's convenient that many choose to use the, I don't have this problem in my game cop-out.

This is getting ridiculous. If it doesn't happen in my game, then it just doesn't happen. Now, at the end of the game if somebody on the losing team wants to spout off, and they have been perfect up to that point. It's my judgement if I choose to enforce the rule of law or not and it's got nothing to do with any other official or upholding the profession. Let's say, and I'm sure there are some DI officials who have probably been here. Let's say I'm in Illinois and I got a big game in Florida the next day. This game in Illinois is over, I need to get to the airport and figure out if I'm going to be able to get out because of the weather. You F...king referees suck. Okay, I'll make a note of you and remember that comment the next time I see you. The same with the coach, AC.

Do I believe that this player is going to be a problem for the next crew? Possibly! Depends on how the game goes. He will be a problem no matter if I call the technical today or not. No matter if I toss him or not. Guaranteed, if his team is losing the next game, and he thinks you made a bad call. Here he comes. Case in point, Rasheed Wallace.

JR made a referee to what I believe is a superstar HS player. This is a valid point. Depending on who you are, you may get a pass. I heard Michael Jordan got a lot of passes, so did Larry Bird, Dwayne Wade, Shaquille O'Neil, Lebron James. It's our society. You going to be surprise at the next statement I'm going to make. You get a pass too on this forum JR. You get to say a lot of crap that's way out of line out here about others and nobody checks you. You get to say way more than anybody else, go on and on and on. If I say something in retaliation, my comments gets deleted. My point is, some people do get special treatment. That's just the way it is in this society, and it is across the board.

Get over it!