Ohio State vs Wisconsin

[Rich]

Originally Posted by uxley11

No, no, no. I don't expect everything to be called. Bu when Oden is being slapped, and punched right in the ref's face, or when Terwilliger went out of bounds to save the ball and the player held his arm. I expect those to be called. I only think Oden traveled once, and the other two were "assisted". I mean Ohio State won in a fantastic game. And Wisconsin is a hell of a team. But I can't help but think that Ohio State would have won that game by 5-10 points if the refs would have called some fouls underneath. Just me maybe.

There were a number of drives where it appeared Tucker or Taylor got fouled, but it's the nature of a game like this. Officials aren't going to turn it into a foul fest. Oden is just as physical (on both ends) and physical play is going to bring (by good teams) equally physical play.

Look at your analysis again and ask yourself if you're applying the same level of scrutiny when Wisconsin has the ball.

[sj]

I saw only part of it but I'll say this. And I don't mean this disrespectfully at all. But if you were a ref you would know when a fan complains and thinks a play should be called a particular way the fact is that the fans will be flat wrong about 9 out of 10 times. And the other time they are probably wrong as well. It's just that you don't know what to look for. It is highly doubtful that Oden got slapped and punched. And based on the other refs descriptions of the travels it there was contact on those plays Oden probably initiated it.

In any given game it would be that maybe 1, maybe 2 on the outside, calls that any crew would like to have the chance to call again. As a fan you need to understand that sitting in the stands and watching a handful of games each year is no replacement for the hundreds of games, maybe even thousands of games, that this crew has worked over the years. I wouldn't dream of criticizing a heart surgeon because I don't know beans about it. The same holds true for fans and the Billy Packers on the subject of officiating

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by sj

In any given game it would be that maybe 1, maybe 2 on the outside, calls that any crew would like to have the chance to call again.

I didn't see the game and have no opinion, but I think SJ's numbers are a bit off. I have heard several times that 80% (correct calls) would be great at the D1 level. 1 or 2 calls a game would probably happen with a NBA crew.

[dan74]

Although my team lost, I thought the officials did a fine job. It was Big Ten basketball. Both teams got to bang a bit. Hopefully Butch will be back soon and the Bucky's can get by them in the Big Ten tourney.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by dan74

Although my team lost, I thought the officials did a fine job. It was Big Ten basketball. Both teams got to bang a bit. Hopefully Butch will be back soon and the Bucky's can get by them in the Big Ten tourney.

He will be out 4-6 weeks. I know we wish nobody gets hurt, but I bet the Badgers wished this happened 4-6 weeks ago.

[wildcatter]

I thought the officials did a good job too, the game was just sloopy.

But personally, without a Tivo or DVR, I can rarely see the travels when they happen... anyone else have this problem?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I didn't see the game and have no opinion, but I think SJ's numbers are a bit off. I have heard several times that 80% (correct calls) would be great at the D1 level.

Just so I don't misunderstand, are you saying that you would consider a D1 official to be doing a "great" job if he/she got only 80% of his/her calls correct?

I would think that's appallingly low for a "great" performance.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Just so I don't misunderstand, are you saying that you would consider a D1 official to be doing a "great" job if he/she got only 80% of his/her calls correct?

I would think that's appallingly low for a "great" performance.

You are probably underestimating what a good/great performance is at that level. Or perhaps you are of the opinion that if Official X calls a call, it must be right because of where he's been and what he's done.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by tomegun

You are probably underestimating what a good/great performance is at that level.

That's possible, I suppose. But do you really think that if you blew 2 out of every 10 block/charge calls, you'd be considered a "great" official?

Or perhaps you are of the opinion that if Official X calls a call, it must be right because of where he's been and what he's done.

No, honestly, I don't think that. I understand that all kinds of things contribute to getting an official hired at that level. But at some point, you have to be able to call plays. And to say that 80% correct is "great" means that some lower percentage like 60% would be considered good or acceptable. And I just can't see how that's possible.

Here's another thing to consider. Not all of our calls gets whistles. We probably have 6-8 calls per possession when it comes to legal dribbles, or incidental contact after a pass, or legal/illegal screens. If you consider all those calls in a game, I think the percentage has to be a lot higher than 80% to be great.

If you're only talking about whistles, then it might be a little lower to be great, but 80% still seems low to me.

[jkjenning]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Just so I don't misunderstand, are you saying that you would consider a D1 official to be doing a "great" job if he/she got only 80% of his/her calls correct?

I would think that's appallingly low for a "great" performance.

I think you have to factor into this that judgment plays a part in each block/charge call and evaluations of such calls [mostly likely taking place in slo-mo while the calls are made real-time] would give opportunity for anyone to second guess several of their own decisions... throw in the fact that someone else may be the judge of correctness and now their judgment clouds the issue and 80% starts to look pretty good!

[stmaryrams]

I was watching the game in the lounge before our Association banquet with about 15 other basketball officials. Not a one said anything about the travel calls - he did!

The room did cringe when the last shot was blocked expecting a foul call with the body. The replay did show otherwise. Well done by the officials. Interesting that Steve Welmer was one of the crew working the game. To attach back to another thread it yet another game in a row for Mr Welmer.

BTW - The guest speaker was former Ohio State standout and now part time radio host Jay Burson. Jay Burson held the Ohio High School career scoring record until last Friday night when he was surpassed by none other than THE Jon Diebler. Burson and family were guests of the school for the game. About 2000 packed into a gym that holds 1500 (where's the fire marshall?). Fans gave Burson a standing "O" upon his entering into the gym. They passed out those give away basketballs. Jay said he thought he signed every single one. The best part was when his own 6 year old son asked him to sign a ball, not knowing why everyone else was asking for his dad's autograph.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by stmaryrams

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BTW - The guest speaker was former Ohio State standout and now part time radio host Jay Burson. Jay Burson held the Ohio High School career scoring record until last Friday night when he was surpassed by none other than THE Jon Diebler...

You almost had me going there stmaryrams. Then you throw in this part and you lose all credibility. Jon Diebler passed away last month, how could he break the Ohio scoring record?