Charging vs Blocking

[Splute]

Originally Posted by jkjenning

1. the myth that a high school defender has to be motionless - he/she only has to maintain legal guarding position... now I need to study the rules for guarding, especially, to clearly understand what motions are legal in order to maintain legal guarding position

2. we are taught to 'referee the defense' as a basic premise to making the right call - it helps to think "where are my defensive players" and then primarily observe them - for one thing, it cuts down on ball watching, but it also enables you to know whether the defender was able to a) have a step before reaching the screen and b) beat the dribbler to a spot on the floor

2.) I like this logic. I think this and the previous responses regarding the defense and timing / position are the root of what my mind is looking for to answer the question. I need to put this into practice to see if it makes the calls easier.

[Chess Ref]

Now I have nowhere near the experience of most of the officials on this board but I actually listened to them. LOL I fall into the area of a little knowledge is a dangerous thing..... I now ref the defense most of the time. And lo and behold the amount of player control fouls and charges I have picked up is incredible. I can pick up the PC foul/charge with soooo much ease now. Really it's incredible by just reffing the defense what I pick up.....

[Ref Daddy]

Another good hint is the defenders reaction to the contact.

Getting knocked (or reacting) off the line of travel of the offensive player SUGGESTS the defender was not at LGP. If the defender is displaced strait back from the offense's direction there was more than likely a charge (PCF).

[ATXCoach]

Can someone clarify for me how "Legal Guarding Position" is defined? I think I have a rough idea, but I couldn't explain it to someone else.

Also, has there been a trend in officiating towards calling more charges in the last 10 years or so? Of course, it may be that I am just a less ignorant participant/viewer then I was in my younger day.

Thanks.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by ATXCoach

Can someone clarify for me how "Legal Guarding Position" is defined? I think I have a rough idea, but I couldn't explain it to someone else.

Also, has there been a trend in officiating towards calling more charges in the last 10 years or so? Of course, it may be that I am just a less ignorant participant/viewer then I was in my younger day.

Thanks.

To obtain Legal Guarding Position the defensive player must have both feet on the floor and facing the opponent.

[Splute]

Rule 4-23-2 To obtain an initial legal guarding position:
a) The guard must have both feet touching the playing court.
b) The front of the guard's torso must be facing the opponent.

Art.3... After the initial legal guarding position is obtained:
a) The guard may have one or both feet on the playing court or be airborne, provide he/she has inbounds status.
b) The guard is not required to continue facing the opponent.
c) The guard may move laterally or obliquely to maintain position, provided it is not toward the opponent when contact occurs.
d) The guard may raise hands or jump within his/her own vertical plane.
e) The guard may turn or duck to absorb the shock of imminent contact.

As I watch more games I see more blocking calls than charging; thus part of why I asked this initial question. Although in one game over the weekend it seemed they called more charging in the first half and more blocking in the second.

[jkjenning]

Originally Posted by Splute

As I watch more games I see more blocking calls than charging; thus part of why I asked this initial question. Although in one game over the weekend it seemed they called more charging in the first half and more blocking in the second.

Thanks for the clear post. I think there needs to be more effort in our area to use game film along with rules sessions to help put all of us "on the same page" with regard to block/charge. I do think there are a fair number of blocks called in which the defener does nothing wrong but the contact draws a blocking foul... I have made a few of those calls myself and wish to improve!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Ref Daddy

Another good hint is the defenders reaction to the contact.

Getting knocked (or reacting) off the line of travel of the offensive player SUGGESTS the defender was not at LGP.

No it doesn't. It only give a hint to where the two bodies made contact. It says nothing about a much more important factor: which direction each player was moving (if at all).

Originally Posted by Ref Daddy

If the defender is displaced strait back from the offense's direction there was more than likely a charge (PCF).

If the defender is moving laterally (legal) at a moderately fast pace and is hit sqaure in the chest, the defender will not be knocked straight back. The defender will fall back at an angle that is a combination of being knocked back and their previous direction of travel. Yet if the same defender were stationary and were hit the same, they would be knocked straight back.

Likewise, a fully stationary defender that is hit more off-center, will be knocked away at an angle.