Charging vs Blocking

[Splute]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

1) Start by learning the definitions for guarding and screening. Knowing these rules forward and backwards, right-side up and upsides down will go a long way to applying these definitions correctly.

2) Officiate the defense. Why? It is the easiest way to determine who is at fault when contact occurs.

3) Practice, practice, practice.

It has been my observation over the years, that too many blocks are called and not enough charges called.

MTD, Sr.

1) okay lets talk guarding... once a defender has LGP he can move to continue said guarding position. He does not have to be motionless to avoid a blocking call, correct?

2) This is interesting. I have never considered watching defense per offense to determine contact or other violations. I will give this some thought.

3)agree, agree, agree and re-read the rules.

I agree with your final thought, which is really the reason I ask this question. It seems to me that blocking is too often called as well, at least in my understanding of the rules and what I see.

[jkjenning]

Originally Posted by Splute

1) okay lets talk guarding... once a defender has LGP he can move to continue said guarding position. He does not have to be motionless to avoid a blocking call, correct?

2) This is interesting. I have never considered watching defense per offense to determine contact or other violations. I will give this some thought.

1. the myth that a high school defender has to be motionless - he/she only has to maintain legal guarding position... now I need to study the rules for guarding, especially, to clearly understand what motions are legal in order to maintain legal guarding position

2. we are taught to 'referee the defense' as a basic premise to making the right call - it helps to think "where are my defensive players" and then primarily observe them - for one thing, it cuts down on ball watching, but it also enables you to know whether the defender was able to a) have a step before reaching the screen and b) beat the dribbler to a spot on the floor

[Splute]

Originally Posted by jkjenning

1. the myth that a high school defender has to be motionless - he/she only has to maintain legal guarding position... now I need to study the rules for guarding, especially, to clearly understand what motions are legal in order to maintain legal guarding position

2. we are taught to 'referee the defense' as a basic premise to making the right call - it helps to think "where are my defensive players" and then primarily observe them - for one thing, it cuts down on ball watching, but it also enables you to know whether the defender was able to a) have a step before reaching the screen and b) beat the dribbler to a spot on the floor

2.) I like this logic. I think this and the previous responses regarding the defense and timing / position are the root of what my mind is looking for to answer the question. I need to put this into practice to see if it makes the calls easier.

[Chess Ref]

Now I have nowhere near the experience of most of the officials on this board but I actually listened to them. LOL I fall into the area of a little knowledge is a dangerous thing..... I now ref the defense most of the time. And lo and behold the amount of player control fouls and charges I have picked up is incredible. I can pick up the PC foul/charge with soooo much ease now. Really it's incredible by just reffing the defense what I pick up.....

[Ref Daddy]

Another good hint is the defenders reaction to the contact.

Getting knocked (or reacting) off the line of travel of the offensive player SUGGESTS the defender was not at LGP. If the defender is displaced strait back from the offense's direction there was more than likely a charge (PCF).

[ATXCoach]

Can someone clarify for me how "Legal Guarding Position" is defined? I think I have a rough idea, but I couldn't explain it to someone else.

Also, has there been a trend in officiating towards calling more charges in the last 10 years or so? Of course, it may be that I am just a less ignorant participant/viewer then I was in my younger day.

Thanks.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by ATXCoach

Can someone clarify for me how "Legal Guarding Position" is defined? I think I have a rough idea, but I couldn't explain it to someone else.

Also, has there been a trend in officiating towards calling more charges in the last 10 years or so? Of course, it may be that I am just a less ignorant participant/viewer then I was in my younger day.

Thanks.

To obtain Legal Guarding Position the defensive player must have both feet on the floor and facing the opponent.

[Splute]

Rule 4-23-2 To obtain an initial legal guarding position:
a) The guard must have both feet touching the playing court.
b) The front of the guard's torso must be facing the opponent.

Art.3... After the initial legal guarding position is obtained:
a) The guard may have one or both feet on the playing court or be airborne, provide he/she has inbounds status.
b) The guard is not required to continue facing the opponent.
c) The guard may move laterally or obliquely to maintain position, provided it is not toward the opponent when contact occurs.
d) The guard may raise hands or jump within his/her own vertical plane.
e) The guard may turn or duck to absorb the shock of imminent contact.

As I watch more games I see more blocking calls than charging; thus part of why I asked this initial question. Although in one game over the weekend it seemed they called more charging in the first half and more blocking in the second.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Ref Daddy

Another good hint is the defenders reaction to the contact.

Getting knocked (or reacting) off the line of travel of the offensive player SUGGESTS the defender was not at LGP.

No it doesn't. It only give a hint to where the two bodies made contact. It says nothing about a much more important factor: which direction each player was moving (if at all).

Originally Posted by Ref Daddy

If the defender is displaced strait back from the offense's direction there was more than likely a charge (PCF).

If the defender is moving laterally (legal) at a moderately fast pace and is hit sqaure in the chest, the defender will not be knocked straight back. The defender will fall back at an angle that is a combination of being knocked back and their previous direction of travel. Yet if the same defender were stationary and were hit the same, they would be knocked straight back.

Likewise, a fully stationary defender that is hit more off-center, will be knocked away at an angle.

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by Splute

1) okay lets talk guarding... once a defender has LGP he can move to continue said guarding position. He does not have to be motionless to avoid a blocking call, correct?

Correct.

Originally Posted by Splute

2) This is interesting. I have never considered watching defense per offense to determine contact or other violations. I will give this some thought.

If you watch the defense for violations, you'll miss 95% of all violations committed but should get the basket interference calls right. Referee the defense means to focus on the defensive player before the contact vs. watching the ball. Referee the defense is a popular term, but it really took me a while to fully understand it rather than just playing lip service to it. If you are focusing on the defender, you'll pick up the subtle things you may not see such as a bump that redirects the dribbler.

For me on those bang-bang block charge calls, I really look at where the contact is. If it's smack in the middle of the chest of the defender, I go PC and if a coach asks that's exactly what I tell them. It's my main discriminator between a block and charge. Others may ask all the usuals, did they obtain and then maintain LGP, who initiated contact, etc. They are all pertinent but I believe that you can use the point of contact to also answer some of those questions. If the contact is smack in the middle of the torso, I'm pretty sure the defender got there first and offensive player initiated the contact. It's not an answer to every situation, but I think it's a good start to developing your philosophy regarding the block/charge. Make sure you talk this over with your partners as consistency as a crew is what's important and that's really all a good coach wants.

Mregor

Mregor