someone help me!!

BillyMac · #1 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 18, 2007, 09:44pm

KevinC8022:

You're welcome, however, you only posted three times and your already namecalling. Remember, "You can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar".

You may be wondering why BktBallRef seemed upset about your thread and my post. Here's some background information. Most basketball officiating organizations, associations, or boards, require their officials to pass an exam, usually the NFHS exam, or the IAABO exam, every year. The exam may be very important because it is very often used for promotion, evaluation, or assignment puposes. The format of the exam varies from group to group, open book, closed book, individual, "study group", etc. Many of these exams are standardized nationally, or even internationally. With so many people involved, and with different groups giving the exam on different dates, the answer key will often make it's way onto the "grapevine". Before the advent of the internet, it was often difficult to get hold of the answer sheet, you usually had to know "somebody in a high place". Now, with the internet, it's easier to get hold of the answer sheet.

Every year, here on The Forum, usually in the fall, we get thread starters or posters who are looking for answers to the exam. Sometimes it may be their only thread or post of the year. Sometimes they have stories to tell like, "I've already completed my exam, I want to check my answers", or, "I want the answers for educational purposes". Most Forum members, including myself and BktBallRef, believe this to be a form of cheating and a misuse of The Forum. Occassionallly we get a legitimate question about a single, tricky question, the IAABO version of the exam is known for its tricky questions, and some Forum members will help that thread starter or poster out by directing him or her to the appropriate section of the rule book, or case book, to help with the correct answer, but that is the exception, not the rule, most thread starters or posters asking questions about the answer sheet are simply cheaters, no more, no less, period.

Hopefully now you can understand why BktBallRef was so upset. Good luck with your officiating class. Maybe you'll become interested in basketball officiating. You'll see some great basketball, up close, best seat in the house. You'll get a good work out several times a week. You'll meet a lot of people with a common interest in basketball, colleagues, coaches, athletic directors, site directors, etc. And you can make some good money, we get $ 80.00 each for a high school varsity game here in Connecticut.

JRutledge · #2 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 18, 2007, 10:05pm

I am not sure why this is such an issue. The guy did not ask for a test answers, he was asking about information. If anything what was given might have been helpful. I am not sure how anyone can get upset with that.

Peace

Dan_ref · #3 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 18, 2007, 10:12pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not sure why this is such an issue. The guy did not ask for a test answers, he was asking about information. If anything what was given might have been helpful. I am not sure how anyone can get upset with that.

Peace

Yeah, I too am wondering why the original poster got bent out of shape and decided to insult people.

No biggie though, life goes on.

mplagrow · #4 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 18, 2007, 10:21pm

I've taken master's degree level courses where we were required to glean from the experience of those in the field, rather than rely on some stale, static textbook. Cut him some slack, he's doing what he's supposed to do--learn from those with experience.

Bad Zebra · #5 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 18, 2007, 10:35pm

OK. I'm gonna jump in here and offer my two cents. If ya choose to ignore it, I understand. I still consider myself a relative newbie here. I look at the vast experience and knowledge here and I must say, this is an incredible web resource.

That being said, I have to say that newcomers are sometime treated unnecessarily harsh. It sounds like the OP was looking for some genuine advice. Regardless of the course methods, he chose to come here. Some choose to offer the guy some real advice. Others choose to make snide remarks and more or less insult him and the course. I thinks that's uncalled for.

To top it off, BillyMac chooses to share some genuine stuff with the OP, then HE gets jumped on and insulted. I particularly dislike the comment about it being "good you're a FORMER teacher". Maybe I'm just noticing the nastiness more, but some of you need to lighten up and try to be a little more receptive.

Is that what happens after you've been in officiating too long? Ya get cranky and suspicious?

Like I said. Just my .02. Feel free to pile on if ya see fit.

jkjenning · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 19, 2007, 01:02am

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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

I still consider myself a relative newbie here. I look at the vast experience and knowledge here and I must say, this is an incredible web resource.

That being said, I have to say that newcomers are sometime treated unnecessarily harsh. It sounds like the OP was looking for some genuine advice. Regardless of the course methods, he chose to come here. Some choose to offer the guy some real advice. Others choose to make snide remarks and more or less insult him and the course. I thinks that's uncalled for.

To top it off, BillyMac chooses to share some genuine stuff with the OP, then HE gets jumped on and insulted. ...
Is that what happens after you've been in officiating too long? Ya get cranky and suspicious?

I'll pile on a DITTO!

JRutledge · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 19, 2007, 02:02am

Bad Zebra,

Take it up with the person that made the statements. Everyone did not do anything or treat anyone in any way. Also this is the World Wide Web. People literally from all over the world post on this web site. If you do not like the advice, go somewhere else. If you do not like the responses, I am sure you can find out other information at other places. I can tell you that this site has no more credibility than any other place. Yes, you might have good people that respond, but not everyone has the intentions to help you learn or sees things through the same set of eyes. No one here owes anyone anything on this site. Also it would help if you are new, that you do not come out with guns a blazing when you ask a very vague and ambiguous question.

Peace

Dan_ref · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 19, 2007, 01:20pm

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Originally Posted by mplagrow

I've taken master's degree level courses where we were required to glean from the experience of those in the field, rather than rely on some stale, static textbook. Cut him some slack, he's doing what he's supposed to do--learn from those with experience.

You've taken masters level classes without understanding the fundamentals of the subject?

mplagrow · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 19, 2007, 02:59pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref

You've taken masters level classes without understanding the fundamentals of the subject?

Wow, who said that???

Are you advocating that even if you are beginning a master's course, you can't learn anything from people with practical experience in the field? Even as an experienced pro, you can always learn from others. That's why I come to this forum.

Dan_ref · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 19, 2007, 05:37pm

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Originally Posted by mplagrow

Wow, who said that???

Well, the OP and you, just to name 2

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I am in an officiating class at my school and I have a couple of questions I hope someone could answer for me. 1) What are some of the basic fundameltals of being an official ...

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I've taken master's degree level courses where we were required to glean from the experience of those in the field, rather than rely on some stale, static textbook. Cut him some slack, he's doing what he's supposed to do--learn from those with experience.

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Are you advocating that even if you are beginning a master's course, you can't learn anything from people with practical experience in the field? Even as an experienced pro, you can always learn from others. That's why I come to this forum.

Nope, not advocating that at all. OTOH...if I know the basics of carpentry it's not likely I'll go to the internet to find out if a saw or a screwdriver is best tool for cutting wood. Just sayin'

howie719 · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 19, 2007, 02:54pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Yeah, I too am wondering why the original poster got bent out of shape and decided to insult people.

No biggie though, life goes on.

He's a teenager and felt threatend. What would your response have been at 16-18?

JRutledge · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 19, 2007, 03:00pm

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Originally Posted by howie719

He's a teenager and felt threatend. What would your response have been at 16-18?

I know I would have shown more respect. But then again when I was a teenager I did not have the same attitude towards adults as they do today. I guess the parents are responsible for those things.

Peace

mplagrow · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 19, 2007, 03:02pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

I know I would have shown more respect. But then again when I was a teenager I did not have the same attitude towards adults as they do today. I guess the parents are responsible for those things.

Peace

Your stuff didn't stink then either, huh? I thought that might have been a later life development.

JRutledge · #14 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 19, 2007, 03:20pm

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Originally Posted by mplagrow

Your stuff didn't stink then either, huh? I thought that might have been a later life development.

No, I just did not say a lot of things to adults as kids do today. I knew my place. I do not think many kids know what that even means. If you step on their shoes they want to feel disrespectful.

Peace

Dan_ref · #15 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 19, 2007, 05:30pm

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Originally Posted by howie719

He's a teenager and felt threatend. What would your response have been at 16-18?

When I was 16-18 my response would have been face-to-face up close and personal and I would have thought twice to make sure I could back up what was about to come out of my yap before opening it.

How about you?