Flagrant foul ejection
 

hello;
today i read in a post that someone had ejected a player on two seperate ocassions for flagrant fouls. would you clarify for me when it is adviseable to eject a player for a flagrant foul?... thanks a million!:confused:

Ummm, since that's the rule.....always.

Any act deemed flagrant by the official, such acts could include swinging at an opponent, tackling an opponent when going for a layup, extreme profanity towards an official, throwing the ball excessively towards a player/offficial... just to name a few.

Generally, when it's a fight.
Othertimes are when the contact so severe it had to be meant to hurt someone; or when you can simply see the malicious intent in the player.
Or, if a coach threatens that you'll never work one of his games again; or if a player drops a string of obscenities directed towards you and your family.

flagrant foul ejection
 

hmmmm.

i have seen several officials call a "flagrant" foul WITHOUT ejecting a player.

The NBA has a rule where you can call a flagrant foul and not eject someone. At the NCAA and NF, flagrant fouls are ejectable offenses only.

Peace

Is it possible an intentional foul was called instead of a flagrant? This results in two shots for the offended player and the ball back at the spot of the foul.

Not unless it was an NBA game.

Intentional vs. Flagrant
 

it IS entirely possible that the officials I have seen call INTENTIONAL fouls using the FLAGRANT foul designation.

thanks all for the clarification!

There's no such thing as a "flagrant foul designation."

What designation do you think you saw?

No, not in HS. But some HS official seem to watch too much NBA and refer to an intentional as a "flagrant" foul. Unfortunately I've seen it happen more than once. Thankfully I haven't yet worked with someone who was that mixed up...hopefully never will.

If you are familiar with the signal umpires use to toss Lou Piniella out of a game then you would recognize a basketball official designating a foul as flagrant resulting in ejection.

What?! Has he been ejected <B>already</B>?!

Although "pitchers & catchers" reporting is the un-official start to the season. "Umpires & Managers" reporting precedes that. ;)

I thought OS demoted this to a warning!

He may have, but I can't read what is being ignored.

The signal for an intentional foul is two arms crossed to make an X. There is no designated signal for a flagrant foul unless you want to include the heave-ho baseball signal used by some.

I haven't had an ejection in a high school game since my first season 4 years ago in a girl's JV game. I used the baseball mechanic to signal the ejection while addressing the table as it calmed down the visitor's bench and fans who were screaming for the ejection. After separating the girls I told the offending player to go to her bench, but didn't tell her she was ejected until the table was notified to keep the problem from re-escalating. I was told by the varsity officials that if wanted to do baseball, do it but leave the baseball mechanics outside.:rolleyes: I would probably use the signal again as I think its universally understood and communicates to everyone what happened.

Why have a mechcanic for intentional and not for flagarant? Signals denote our intention. Not that player ejections happen often, but when they do it's usually an emotional situation. I think they could come up with something. Anyone have thoughts on what mechcanic we could use. FWIW I wouldn't want the baseball toss.

Howie,

I have seen other referees point off the court...That might work. Sort of like when I'm yelling at my dog to go outside.:D

I think that you may have just answered your own question. Maybe the FED doesn't want officials to use a signal that might possibly inflame emotions. Just calmly take care of bidness. Inform everybody of what's happening, but don't put on a show.

I not saying it's wrong to point him/her out. To me it just seems like that makes it kind of personal. which may ignite an already flammable situation. But if we had a mechcanic, that would give an automatic indication to both benchs what is happening. People will most likely be freaking out anyway, it may give you the time you need to get your paperwork done. JMO

People freaking out should never be a factor. If they freak out at you, just call the "T". There's nothing wrong with a baseball heave either to show the ejection imo. Just don't be over-dramatic with it. And then just calmly inform the coaches <b>why</b> the ejection occurred.

I was just guessing why the FED doesn't have a formal ejection signal, is all.

Your paperwork gets done after the game. The scorer does the paperwork during the game. Just tell the scorer to note the player #, the time and a reason somewhere on the sheet.