in this instance for the dunk putback you KNOW its not a try -- so in this case what do you have if he doesnt dunk but comes back down to earth with the ball?

just conjecture here JR -- I dont disagree that its legal if its a shot attempt -- i was basing what I said earlier on the fact that its NOT a shot attempt.

I remember the pass off the glass then dunking by Traci McGrady a few years back in the all star game. Nothing was called. Yes it is the NBA and nobody cares anyways

To me, there are two criteria to determine whether it's a try or not for purposes of rebounding eligibility.
1. If I judge his intent is to put the ball through the basket, it's a try.
2. If the ball hits the player's backboard or rim, it's a try.
Both don't need to be met; only one.

ok so snaq -- by your #2 - what about an alley oop pass that goes awry and no one touches it but it hits the backboard and teh player that passed it recovers?

that covers #2. you are saying thats a try?

Don't know about snaq but to me, yep it is a try....and if he can alley oop it and go get it, and the defense doesn't stop him, well then good for him and shame on them....the fed even does this to some extent, if the ball is thrown from outside the 3 pt line and it goes in, it is 3pts...they don't want us trying to determine if little Johnny or Mary is throwing a pass or is just that poor fundamentally that we can't tell...

How many different ways can you beat the same horse to death? You clearly want someone to tell you that you should call an illegal dribble. Why is this so important to you? Do you have anything you can use from the rulebook that backs you up to call an illegal dribble for the scenarios you described?

no I see what they are saying all I was trying to figure out if there was a distintion between shot and pass -- why is it so hard to get a yes or no here -- if its a try I know very well what to call and what not to call -- in fact dont even bother answering because it appears that it should be viewed as a shot attempt if it ever hits the backboard or rim.

I disagree with #2. There is nothing in the rules that declare it a try just because it hits the rim or backboard. There are some rules that specify some of the same ramifications of a try (a player may dribble again), points are scored if it goes in, etc....but nothing says it is a try.