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[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Ref Daddy

... A couple of double fouls clearly sends the message. Don't forget that option...

I like this option. If I know I've got a couple players that don't like eachother, I'll watch for early off-ball shennanigans. First sign of trouble, a quick double foul for illegal contact is in order (T seems kinda severe, unless it's real nasty) . They usually get the messgage early and calm down.

Maybe others like to go to the T quicker, but I find a simple double personal works well for me.

[RushmoreRef]

This was all during a dead-ball situation....the only thing I can have there would be a technical foul correct?

[Bad Zebra]

Yes. In your particular case, dead ball fouls are techs or ignored for the most part. I was looking at it from a preventative angle. Trying to get it cleaned up early. In your case, didn't seem like you had much choice.

[RushmoreRef]

I see ... since you are already watching for these particular players get it early before something happens if you can ... we pre-gamed that and did catch A1 for an illegal screen early....she'd pretty heady, will pick up 2 or 3 dumb, cheap fouls and then back off

The reason why this situation was tough is because of how it progressed from a hard foul, to A1 trying to get up fast, to B1 grabbing her leg and A1 kicking free.... all happening in the time it took me to blow my whistle and cover the 15 feet between myself and the players. I'm just curious if I would have come with a "double T" if the situation would have been worse or better...other problem with a double T is it would have been two fouls on A1 giving her #2 and #3 still early in the second and the situation wasn't caused solely by her.

[Bad Zebra]

I'd be interested in hearing other vets weigh in on this one. I kinda follow your thought process. The reality is that you'd be saddling two players pretty early with T's that count toward the five. Now we all know that it's their actions that dictate thier foul totals, but the reality is: Do we want to pile on when we have other tools at our disposal? By-the-book guys are going to want to whack 'em and let the chips fall. Me, I'm still at a mindset where I try to avoid a T whenever I can. Maybe that will change with age and experience.

[SWMOzebra]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

I like this option. If I know I've got a couple players that don't like eachother, I'll watch for early off-ball shennanigans. First sign of trouble, a quick double foul for illegal contact is in order (T seems kinda severe, unless it's real nasty) . They usually get the messgage early and calm down.

I'm no vet by any stretch, but I totally agree with Bad Zebra and Ref Daddy. Catch 'em early off ball and hit both with a personal...no one feels like their being "unfairly" singled out and coaches/players know you're watching them. Usually makes the rest of the game go smoother (at least, between the two players in question).