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Old School Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Where you officiate is relevant only in as much as none of us want our kids put in danger because some official wants to "give people a chance."
That's way over the top! No wonder I have such a bad attitude out here.

Adam Sun Feb 04, 2007 01:25pm
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Originally Posted by Old School
That's way over the top! No wonder I have such a bad attitude out here.
Yeah, I'm sure that's my fault. If that makes you feel better about yourself....

26 Year Gap Sun Feb 04, 2007 03:51pm
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Originally Posted by Old School
Not sure I understand where I officiate has anything to do with this. My point is; no one was injured and there's no telling how long he was doing this b4 someone mentioned it. So if the parent was doing this and nobody got hurt. Telling him not to do it again is reasonable, at least to me it's reasonable. You must also tell him that it is illegal at any basketball game because he simply may not know. Aren't these the same lasers they use in some rock concerts? If they are, I haven't heard of anybody's eyes being put out here because of this. Maybe these parents are thinking the same thing. To me, this falls in the same category as artificial noise makers, or other devices used at the game to try and get an advantage.

Give the person the benefit of the doubt. Now that you have informed him that it is illegal. If he does it again, it's out and you got more people to help ensure it doesn't happen again. Jumping to the extreme like what was done put everybody on the brink. You took away any chance for the parent to not lose face and say, I didn't know and will never do it again. This is a good result too, even though nobody here will acknowledge it. Instead you choose the no other way option and now you got the worse coming at you. Now, the incident is not over. Several days later and you're still dealing with it. Your job is to officiate the game, not to police the event.
I understand now. You started in 12th grade and worked your way back to 1st grade and are still going. You certainly are not gaining wisdom with age.

Ignats75 Sun Feb 04, 2007 05:20pm
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Now, now Ignats! You wouldn't want to embarrass anybody!
Do you think getting (W)itch slapped would be embarassing? ;) Maybe Old School would know.:D

Camron Rust Sun Feb 04, 2007 08:18pm
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Originally Posted by Old School
I have forced fans to turn off cameras with the flash enabled or on. I look up and see that, beep, shut it off! Fans said nobody has ever made me turn it off before. I said if you don't turn it off, you or the camera or both is leaving this gym.
How patently ridiculous! Making a guy with camera not use the flash? That is going WAY to far. Let the dad take pictures of Johnny....most cameras will not take a decent picture without a flash.

The flashes in college and pro games are 100's of times more powerful than the little flash in a pocket camera. Those "pro" flashes aren't a problem so why would a tiny pocket camera flash be a problem. Even if they've got a nice digital SLR with an external flash, they're still no more than one tenth the power of the pro flashes.

JRutledge Sun Feb 04, 2007 08:40pm
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust
How patently ridiculous! Making a guy with camera not use the flash? That is going WAY to far. Let the dad take pictures of Johnny....most cameras will not take a decent picture without a flash.

The flashes in college and pro games are 100's of times more powerful than the little flash in a pocket camera. Those "pro" flashes aren't a problem so why would a tiny pocket camera flash be a problem. Even if they've got a nice digital SLR with an external flash, they're still no more than one tenth the power of the pro flashes.
I am going to have to stop you there. I think it depends on where it is used. I have seen people use cameras right in the view point of the FT shooter. I have also seen those lights from camcorders that I have had turned off in they are distracting. Usually these are brought to the attention by the coach or players. So I would not say it was ridiculous if the people are right off court. We are not talking about a huge arena where the flashes are several feet away.

Peace

dan74 Sun Feb 04, 2007 09:01pm
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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap
How about a meeting with the parents of the FT shooter?
You betcha...as long as the wife was willing to apologize for her husband's actions. However, as Old school mentioned, legal action may be forthcoming and meeting with the FT shooter's parents (plaintiff's star witness) before jury selction could be viewed by the court as tampering.

Camron Rust Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:22am
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Originally Posted by JRutledge
I am going to have to stop you there. I think it depends on where it is used. I have seen people use cameras right in the view point of the FT shooter. I have also seen those lights from camcorders that I have had turned off in they are distracting. Usually these are brought to the attention by the coach or players. So I would not say it was ridiculous if the people are right off court. We are not talking about a huge arena where the flashes are several feet away.

Peace
Note that he simply said if someone had a camera, he'd have them turn it off or leave the gym....no mention of them standing under the basket or how or when it was being used.

In a well lit gym, the strobe of a camera is hardy noticable. I've seen photographers taking flash photos from a few feet outside the mid-outer endline and I hardly notice the flash. They're just not bright enough or on long enough to be an issue.

Unless a court is extremely well lit, any decent photo will probably require a flash.

MJT Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:39am
Laser pointed on the floor or a player, he's gone!! No warning!!

JRutledge Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:43am
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust
Note that he simply said if someone had a camera, he'd have them turn it off or leave the gym....no mention of them standing under the basket or how or when it was being used.

In a well lit gym, the strobe of a camera is hardy noticable. I've seen photographers taking flash photos from a few feet outside the mid-outer endline and I hardly notice the flash. They're just not bright enough or on long enough to be an issue.

Unless a court is extremely well lit, any decent photo will probably require a flash.
I agree with not telling them to turn it completely off. I am just saying that if someone said this was a distraction, I would address it. I would ask kindly to have them turn off the light or the distraction. If you people know this is OK, they might just use these devices on purpose to cause a distraction like purposely shinning light or flashes in the eye sight of a FT for example.

Peace

PYRef Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:58am
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Originally Posted by Old School
You must also tell him that it is illegal at any basketball game because he simply may not know
This is one of the most ridculous statements I've heard yet. This is an adult at a kids sporting event for godsakes! It would be unreasonable conduct at any event. Do you also give warnings to all the coaches and players before you issue fouls because maybe they didn't know it was illegal?? Do you not eject a kid for a flagrant foul because maybe they didn't know they couldn't bodyslam an airborne shooter? Maybe you just inform him he can't do that again because an ejection might be too embarrassing for his fragile ego?
The only thing that jkjennings should have done differently was call management and have them eject this azzhole themselves. In no case should conduct like this, especially by a parent, be tolerated.

Ignats75 Mon Feb 05, 2007 07:46am
In Ohio, The OHSAA sent out a notification that Flash pictures are not allowed from the baseline in the key. EVerywhere else, is OK.

26 Year Gap Mon Feb 05, 2007 08:42am
Originally Posted by Old School
I have forced fans to turn off cameras with the flash enabled or on. I look up and see that, beep, shut it off! Fans said nobody has ever made me turn it off before. I said if you don't turn it off, you or the camera or both is leaving this gym.
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Bad Zebra Mon Feb 05, 2007 08:54am
Nice use of visuals 26.

Is it just me, or has this thread become patently absurd?

Old School Mon Feb 05, 2007 07:57pm
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust
Note that he simply said if someone had a camera, he'd have them turn it off or leave the gym....no mention of them standing under the basket or how or when it was being used.

In a well lit gym, the strobe of a camera is hardy noticable. I've seen photographers taking flash photos from a few feet outside the mid-outer endline and I hardly notice the flash. They're just not bright enough or on long enough to be an issue.

Unless a court is extremely well lit, any decent photo will probably require a flash.
I should clarify, I meant Camcorders. Cameras that take a flash and then go off or not a problem. But if you got a video camera or camcorder, and the strope or bright light is on. Turn it off. One tournament I was working, the tournament director, walked out on the floor, stopped our game, when up into the stands and took the camera. Escorted the parents out. Not allowed here! When I run into it. I look up and see that bright strope light on. Turn it off. Lot of the people tried to fight it, they where either escorted out the gym or they turn it off.


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