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Mountaineer Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:59pm

Huntington HS in trouble!
 
WOW! The best HS player in the country by most accounts - OJ Mayo - was ejected from a game tonight. A buddy of mine actually stuck him for his 2nd T (I actually know all 3 - 2 of them are from my local board). I haven't been able to talk to him - just saw it on the news. My buddy is a D1 official and isn't afraid to whack someone - they actually stick kids pretty quickly IMO. That being said, the footage on TV actually looked like everything was justified.

Here's the problem - OJ, by WVSSAC rule, has to sit out 10% of their games - or 2 games. Their next game is against Artesia, CA - the former #2 team in the country. The game is on ESPN and is being played at Duke. So this will be interesting. Stay tuned if this interests you.

Johnny Ringo Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:19am

I would predict that he will play in an ESPN televised game at Duke and the WVSSAC rules will not govern that game since it is out of state! please keep us informed!

bronco Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:34am

Yes, please keep us informed. I got home, saw that, and called a friend who is a college coach. We both agreed some way would be found for Mayo to play. However, I am hoping, if the rules are he shouldn't, then he won't. But, I'm not holding my breath.:rolleyes:

Mountaineer Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:39am

The company I work for actually owns the broadcasting rights to all of the WVSSAC Championships so we are pretty tight with the WVSSAC - hopefully I'll get a scoop on Monday . . . plus, one of my coworkers sons is the assistant AD at Huntington.

The game is Tuesday in Durham - won't be much time to fight over this one. If there was more time I think the WVSSAC would declare him ineligible and a judge would allow him to play - but there's not a lot of time. Johnny, I think they will have jurisdiction . . . but we'll see. I'll make some calls tomorrow and see what's going on.

BktBallRef Sat Jan 27, 2007 01:09am

If they let him play when they would uphold the suspension for any other player,....well, I hope they've got bigger balls than that.

orangeump Sat Jan 27, 2007 01:24am

why is your friend a D1 official and working HS boys basketball? something doesnt jive up here....unless he is a D1 women's official of some sort.

Johnny Ringo Sat Jan 27, 2007 02:23am

We have D1 officials working games in my association. Plus, if it's O.J. Mayo playing - that would explain to me why he might be working the game.

Jurassic Referee Sat Jan 27, 2007 02:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef
If they let him play when they would uphold the suspension for any other player,....well, I hope they've got bigger balls than that.

You <b>know</b> how this one is gonna turn out. No brainer at all. The kid plays.

BOBBYMO Sat Jan 27, 2007 03:00am

Quote:

Originally Posted by orangeump
why is your friend a D1 official and working HS boys basketball? something doesnt jive up here....unless he is a D1 women's official of some sort.

Orange-

Could you please explain to me what you mean by this?

Rich Sat Jan 27, 2007 09:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by orangeump
why is your friend a D1 official and working HS boys basketball? something doesnt jive up here....unless he is a D1 women's official of some sort.

Some D1 guys don't work as many games as Welmer -- are they supposed to stay home the rest of the week?

IREFU2 Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser
Some D1 guys don't work as many games as Welmer -- are they supposed to stay home the rest of the week?

We have D1 officials on our board that work High School. Its the Officials' preference if he wants to continue to do high school. I am sure if his schedule permits it, he will continue to do both.

Tim C Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:05am

Hmm,
 
In Portland, OR we have D1 guys in football, basketball and baseball that all add to their schedules by working high school schedules.

Regards,

Rich Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim C
In Portland, OR we have D1 guys in football, basketball and baseball that all add to their schedules by working high school schedules.

Regards,

And who better to serve as mentors for younger officials....

Raymond Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by orangeump
why is your friend a D1 official and working HS boys basketball? something doesnt jive up here....unless he is a D1 women's official of some sort.

Crazy statement by you, orangeump. We have 3 D1 NCAA-M officials on our board who work substantial HS schedules and 1 D1 NCAA-W official who does the same. But we do have one associate member who gave up her HS schedule because her NCAA Women's schedule is too heavy. She is the best official on our board, IMO, and regularly worked Boys games for our board.

orangeump Sat Jan 27, 2007 01:17pm

D3 is different than D1....are you aware of how much faster the D1 game is than the HS game? That is why I was wondering about this. Just doesnt seem like something that is normally done or that I would do given the chance.

As far as the post that said "OJ Mayo was playing, thats why." I am sure he cares....if he is a D1 official he gets to see better players on a daily basis...come on now.

Johnny Ringo Sat Jan 27, 2007 01:23pm

There are probably many areas in the country where a high school official could not imagine a Div. I official working a high school game - some of the associations I have been in don't sniff that level of a guy belonging. And then others I have been in have several.

Also, you won't see these Div. I officials working high school games that involve the worst teams in the conference - most come out to work the biggest game sin the city/area/state - O.J. Mayo!

Rich Sat Jan 27, 2007 01:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by orangeump
D3 is different than D1....are you aware of how much faster the D1 game is than the HS game? That is why I was wondering about this. Just doesnt seem like something that is normally done or that I would do given the chance.

As far as the post that said "OJ Mayo was playing, thats why." I am sure he cares....if he is a D1 official he gets to see better players on a daily basis...come on now.

Who said anything about D3?

tomegun Sat Jan 27, 2007 01:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by orangeump

As far as the post that said "OJ Mayo was playing, thats why." I am sure he cares....if he is a D1 official he gets to see better players on a daily basis...come on now.


Besides the fact that a lot of D1 guys don't work enough games to sit at home when they aren't doing D1, you are out of touch.
If you knew who OJ Mayo is you would realize that it is easy for an official to work D1 and not see anyone that good at all, let alone on a daily basis. I was fortunate enough to work Kevin Durant's last high school game, do you think every D1 official sees someone that good on a daily basis?

Mountaineer Sat Jan 27, 2007 04:28pm

Update
 
Sheeeeesh orangeump - he works Mens D2 in the WVIAC and Mens D1 in the Big South and one other one (can't remember what conf.). Granted it's not the SEC or ACC or Big East - but it's certainly D1. I actually have 2 HS games with him this year as well . . . I didn't say he was Ted Valentine - I said he was D1.

Here's the latest - as Mike walked to the scorer's table - Mayo bumped him and Lazo fell. If anyone has a myspace you can go to the videos and search for OJ and see this incident
(or try this link http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...oid=1822220161)

I talked to a couple of people this morning and a sports writer in Charleston said that the contract stipulated that OJ had to play in the game - someone else told me that "yes, that clause WAS in the original contract when it was unclear that OJ would be in school at HHS and was removed after he enrolled." According to a co-worker whose son is the Asst. AD at HHS, they are planning (at this point, I would add) on OJ sitting his two games - which happen to be against teams that can beat them (Artesia, CA and Scott, KY).

Rich Sat Jan 27, 2007 04:47pm

The video is entitled "The Flop" and it does look like a flop of WWE (or at least NFL punter) proportions. Did the official really get hit hard enough to make him go down like THAT?

What hadn't been mentioned up till now is that Mayo had already been tossed before the bump happened and was going after the official who bounced him.

Is this what happens when HS basketball is made out to be more than it should be?

wildcatter Sat Jan 27, 2007 04:58pm

After the ref near the table got bumped and fell to the ground, what was the other ref with the ball doing? Just standing there? Is that what you're supposed to do when your partner gets bumped to the ground after ejecting a player?

Rich Sat Jan 27, 2007 05:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildcatter
After the ref near the table got bumped and fell to the ground, what was the other ref with the ball doing? Just standing there? Is that what you're supposed to do when your partner gets bumped to the ground after ejecting a player?

My question comes in before this -- a player is ejected and is walking after the official that tossed him -- what are the officials doing THEN?

Maybe it's much more natural if you're a baseball umpire who deals more frequently with ejections, but another official should've been moving towards that well before Mayo got to him.

Jurassic Referee Sat Jan 27, 2007 05:16pm

If that happened to one of our officials and we had that film clip, we'd lay charges and let the court sort it out.

Two games only for that is ridiculous. Somewhere along the line people are forgetting that this is still high school basketball, ESPN or not.

Rich Sat Jan 27, 2007 05:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
If that happened to one of our officials and we had that film clip, we'd lay charges and let the court sort it out.

Two games only for that is ridiculous. Somewhere along the line people are forgetting that this is still high school basketball, ESPN or not.

If the suspension is only 2 games, JR, it means he got NOTHING for the bump. He already HAD 2 technical fouls before that and the ejection carries the 2 game suspension. I can't believe he didn't get another technical there, either. It's not the NCAA where a third technical is forbidden.

I still say it looked a bit embellished (the bump/flop), but I'll give the official the benefit of the doubt.

Jurassic Referee Sat Jan 27, 2007 05:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser
If the suspension is only 2 games, JR, it means he got NOTHING for the bump. He already HAD 2 technical fouls before that and the ejection carries the 2 game suspension. I can't believe he didn't get another technical there, either. It's not the NCAA where a third technical is forbidden.

Two games only would be a farce imo.

Mountaineer Sat Jan 27, 2007 08:08pm

Again, I haven't spoken with Mike (the official) but I tend to agree with the "flop" thinking too. One, the guy is in his late 20's and in fantastic shape. He played quarterback at Fairmont State College. My thinking is that it would take a helluva bump to knock him to the ground. The fact that he fell or flopped is not what's important - he was BUMPED by a player. I also agree that there was a problem with none of the other officials doing anything. Mayo certainly went after him and bumped him - something other than 2 games for the ejection is in order.

I'll probably be blasted for this statement - but I guess you can take the thug out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of the thug!

Tim C Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:08pm

Hmm,
 
OrangeUmp = PWL on the baseball boards.

tomegun Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountaineer
Again, I haven't spoken with Mike (the official) but I tend to agree with the "flop" thinking too. One, the guy is in his late 20's and in fantastic shape. He played quarterback at Fairmont State College. My thinking is that it would take a helluva bump to knock him to the ground. The fact that he fell or flopped is not what's important - he was BUMPED by a player. I also agree that there was a problem with none of the other officials doing anything. Mayo certainly went after him and bumped him - something other than 2 games for the ejection is in order.

I'll probably be blasted for this statement - but I guess you can the thug out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of the thug!

If you are going to say a comment - which is stupid in this case anyway - at least get it right. I hope you meant to put "take" after "can."

I know Mike and I have worked with him in the WVIAC and at the Nike camp (we were roommates). I just tried to call him and I imagine he is on the court right now. Maybe it was a little bit of a flop, maybe not. Whatever the case may be, the player made contact with him and that should be punished much more severely than two games. I also think his partners were probably less experienced than him and shook up under the bright lights.

Mountaineer Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomegun
If you are going to say a comment - which is stupid in this case anyway - at least get it right. I hope you meant to put "take" after "can."

I know Mike and I have worked with him in the WVIAC and at the Nike camp (we were roommates). I just tried to call him and I imagine he is on the court right now. Maybe it was a little bit of a flop, maybe not. Whatever the case may be, the player made contact with him and that should be punished much more severely than two games. I also think his partners were probably less experienced than him and shook up under the bright lights.

Fixed it just for you! Yeah, he probably is on the court. Great official. Another friend called him tonight and his explaination of the "flop" was this - he saw something out of the corner of his eye and stepped back, which sort of put him off balance and then OJ hit him which knocked him down. I'll say this about him - I've never known him to embellish the truth at all - if he said it wasn't a flop - it wasn't a flop.

Actually Mike is a relatively young official - only about 5 years experience. He's just got "it". One of the other officials calls womens in the WVIAC and has done the state tournament and the other one has probably 15-20 years in HS. They shouldn't have been bothered.

I've talked to a lot of other officials today and some think OJ should be suspended for the remainder of the year. I've heard some that think he should press charges. It will be interesting to see what happens.

tomegun Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:56am

Obviously, the other officials' experience didn't help them. They looked like they didn't know what to do.

JRutledge Sun Jan 28, 2007 01:27am

Let me put it this way. I am a D1 umpire in baseball because I work D1 baseball games. I do not get enough D1 baseball games to warrant giving up my entire HS schedule. As of right now I am only working 1 D1 game or series as we speak. A lot of D1 officials only get one or two D1 games. It does not mean they do not have time to work any HS games or if they did they might not work that many games at all during the season.

Also I know many D1 officials in my area that still work HS games. There is even a person that worked the NCAA Tournament and still works the occasional HS game (sometimes lower level). I also worked a HS varsity game last year with an official who almost entirely works a D1 schedule and works games all the time all over the country.

So it is possible for someone to work D1 and a HS schedule at the same time.

Peace

Mountaineer Sun Jan 28, 2007 01:55am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomegun
Obviously, the other officials' experience didn't help them. They looked like they didn't know what to do.

I'm not disagreeing with you. A buddy of mine said Mike isn't taking any calls right now - who can blame him. I heard the newspaper tried to get in touch with him today. I'm like - what the heck for? Do you think he's going to ruin his career by talking to you?

As far as the other officials - wow. I watched it several times tonight and a thought struck me (kinda bumped me really) - how come no one else got ejected for leaving the bench? I counted 7-9 green jerseys and several white ones - none of those were bench players? One official even went to the HHS bench, you would think to take numbers - but no one was removed other than OJ.

Last year there were some officials that mishandled a fight and were suspended from post-season. I wonder if the WVSSAC will have anything to say to those two about this one?

GarthB Sun Jan 28, 2007 03:00am

The local paper's slant and some comments from "fans".

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/apps/...701270355/1014

Jurassic Referee Sun Jan 28, 2007 04:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomegun
Whatever the case may be, the player made contact with him and that should be punished much more severely than two games.

That's the bottom line right there.

I doubt very much that it will happen though. I don't believe in the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny either.

Rich Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GarthB
The local paper's slant and some comments from "fans".

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/apps/...701270355/1014

My God, those people responding to the article are about as dumb as they come. Notice they're trolling for people to email so they can write a "reaction" story? I'm sure that will win the Pulitzer prize.

Mayo sounds like a thug who's used to getting away with almost everything he does, including "picking" his senior year high school and certainly getting just about everything he wants from here on out.

Jurassic Referee Sun Jan 28, 2007 03:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Mayo sounds like a thug who's used to getting away with almost everything he does, including "picking" his senior year high school and certainly getting just about everything he wants from here on out.

It's called the AAU mentality.

Now..... who should bear the greater responsibility? The kid? Or the system? Or both?

Btw, he's gonna be going to USC. I wonder if he'll be making the same salary that Reggie Bush did?:D

Mountaineer Sun Jan 28, 2007 09:17pm

Another Update
 
Another buddy of mine talked to Mike today. He's pretty shook up right now. Not because of what he did - but rather because of all the s#it that is going on. If this had been a mediocre player at Riverside HS - we would not be discussing this outside of our local board members and certainly not on here. So that's the crap that's got him upset.

I work in radio in WV and we have a few long-form programs. I am positive we will be discussing this on the air tomorrow all day. I'm betting Mike Hayden from the WVSSAC will be on the air and who knows, maybe even Coach McGuffin - it will be interesting to see where this goes.

26 Year Gap Sun Jan 28, 2007 09:36pm

I just hope that 5 years from now, that we are not reading some story about the player involved in some 3 a.m. incident. Once a person knows the playing field is not level, then that person will generally push the envelope. Hopefully, that state association will uphold their roules and not make an exception. After all, the player suspended himself by his actions.

cshs81 Sun Jan 28, 2007 09:42pm

Video of the incident:

http://video.wsaz.com/global/video/p...l&rnd=78704844


After OJ dunked the ball, he then caught it and started walking down the court. Does the ref have the discretion to call a delay of game (is that even in high school)? Or is it an automatic T?

Mountaineer Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by cshs81
Video of the incident:

http://video.wsaz.com/global/video/p...l&rnd=78704844


After OJ dunked the ball, he then caught it and started walking down the court. Does the ref have the discretion to call a delay of game (is that even in high school)? Or is it an automatic T?

Yes, there's a delay of game - however, the ref had the line on it and you really can't see OJ's mouth to see if he's saying anything - they had warned him about "yapping" previously. If he says anything - he deserved what he got.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:05am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountaineer
WOW! The best HS player in the country by most accounts - OJ Mayo - was ejected from a game tonight. A buddy of mine actually stuck him for his 2nd T (I actually know all 3 - 2 of them are from my local board). I haven't been able to talk to him - just saw it on the news. My buddy is a D1 official and isn't afraid to whack someone - they actually stick kids pretty quickly IMO. That being said, the footage on TV actually looked like everything was justified.

Here's the problem - OJ, by WVSSAC rule, has to sit out 10% of their games - or 2 games. Their next game is against Artesia, CA - the former #2 team in the country. The game is on ESPN and is being played at Duke. So this will be interesting. Stay tuned if this interests you.


The real question that should be asked is how O.J. Mayo was ruled eligible by the WVSSAC, when the OhioHSAA had ruled him ineligible for H.S. sports because he had already attended H.S. in Ohio for four (4) years (eight (8) semesters).

MTD, Sr.

cshs81 Mon Jan 29, 2007 08:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
The real question that should be asked is how O.J. Mayo was ruled eligible by the WVSSAC, when the OhioHSAA had ruled him ineligible for H.S. sports because he had already attended H.S. in Ohio for four (4) years (eight (8) semesters).

MTD, Sr.

You are confusing OJ with Bill Walker. OJ has never been ruled ineligibile.

Scrapper1 Mon Jan 29, 2007 09:37am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge
I am a D1 umpire in baseball because I work D1 baseball games.

Completely off-topic, but let me say congratulations. I did not know this about you. Good luck in your upcoming season. Hope you get a good D1 schedule.

IHSAref Mon Jan 29, 2007 09:48am

when is the game or has it already been played?

Thanks

IHSAref

JoeT Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:31am

Really?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by orangeump
why is your friend a D1 official and working HS boys basketball? something doesnt jive up here....unless he is a D1 women's official of some sort.

Who is both sexist enough to think this AND daft enough actually to write it? How many DI women's games have you done, stud?

tomegun Mon Jan 29, 2007 01:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeT
Who is both sexist enough to think this AND daft enough actually to write it? How many DI women's games have you done, stud?

I think you should just ignore that comment. He/she is obviously out of touch with officiating.

All_Heart Mon Jan 29, 2007 02:27pm

Quote:

There were 32 fouls called in the first half alone.
This made me cringe even more! :eek:

Jurassic Referee Mon Jan 29, 2007 03:04pm

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Originally Posted by All_Heart
This made me cringe even more! :eek:

Why?:confused:

Which of the 32 calls weren't good ones and also necessary? Please be exact.

JRutledge Mon Jan 29, 2007 03:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Why?:confused:

Which of the 32 calls weren't good ones and also necessary? Please be exact.

I will not speak for All Heart, but I say that 32 fouls in a game are a lot. Even if every call was correct, I would hate a game with 32 in a single half. I had a game this year where we called 21 fouls on one time in a half and at least 31 in that same half. Then the coach that had the 21 fouls actually got upset that I tried to talk one of his players about not committing a possible intentional foul.

Peace

All_Heart Mon Jan 29, 2007 04:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Why?:confused:

Which of the 32 calls weren't good ones and also necessary? Please be exact.

JRut got it.

I was just commenting on how it's no fun to call a game like that. For all we know they called the perfect game. ;)

I wonder if the whole game will be posted on the net somewhere. If anyone finds out let us know.

Jurassic Referee Mon Jan 29, 2007 04:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
Here, funny reading for your more bored moments.

Typical fanboy stuff.......

Same old, same old....:rolleyes:

Mountaineer Mon Jan 29, 2007 04:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
The real question that should be asked is how O.J. Mayo was ruled eligible by the WVSSAC, when the OhioHSAA had ruled him ineligible for H.S. sports because he had already attended H.S. in Ohio for four (4) years (eight (8) semesters).

MTD, Sr.

OJ was ruled ineligible in Ohio because he is 19 not because of attending HS for 4 years . . . in WV I think you can still attend HS until you are 27, the only stipulation is that you cannot enter into a grade past one your father is currently enrolled in . . .:D

(First part is true - second is embellished for humor sake.)

Rich Mon Jan 29, 2007 04:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge
I will not speak for All Heart, but I say that 32 fouls in a game are a lot. Even if every call was correct, I would hate a game with 32 in a single half. I had a game this year where we called 21 fouls on one time in a half and at least 31 in that same half. Then the coach that had the 21 fouls actually got upset that I tried to talk one of his players about not committing a possible intentional foul.

Peace

I've had games where we've called that many in a half. There's no way you can get any type of flow going with a foul called every 30 seconds.

Not saying not to call fouls you have to get and all 32 in this game may have been "have to get" fouls. But it would be no fun working the game.

stmaryrams Mon Jan 29, 2007 05:01pm

I just love the comments on the newpaper's page with the "officials were out to get HHS" What a load of ****. I'm sure that when Mike Lazo and crew were assigned this game they were excited to see a highly competitive HS game with one of the more touted HS players on the court. Besides HHS was a talented team without Mr. Mayo.

I saw Mayo in the OHSAA finals last year and he was the real deal. His running mate Bill Walker was crying the entire game. When Walker wasn't crying he was cherrypicking and not even playing defense. (My 14 yo son's observations)
Too bad Mr. Mayo actually had to play a game where there was some competition. I'm sure the number of fouls called were to avoid just such a situation combined with the potential trash talking involved.

Final line if you bump into an official after having a "T" called on you, you are asking for the ejection.

JRutledge Mon Jan 29, 2007 05:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser
I've had games where we've called that many in a half. There's no way you can get any type of flow going with a foul called every 30 seconds.

Not saying not to call fouls you have to get and all 32 in this game may have been "have to get" fouls. But it would be no fun working the game.

And these are just fouls. What about the violations, timeouts and any other stoppage of play that might take place. Sometimes if the game is close it is not that bad, but when it is a blowout that is another issue all together.

Peace

WhistlesAndStripes Mon Jan 29, 2007 06:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountaineer
OJ was ruled ineligible in Ohio because he is 19 not because of attending HS for 4 years . . . in WV I think you can still attend HS until you are 27, the only stipulation is that you cannot enter into a grade past one your father is currently enrolled in . . .:D

(First part is true - second is embellished for humor sake.)

On that note, in West Virginia, if you divorce your wife, is she still your cousin?

GarthB Mon Jan 29, 2007 06:53pm

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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes
On that note, in West Virginia, if you divorce your wife, is she still your cousin?

No, but she's still your sister.

Jurassic Referee Mon Jan 29, 2007 06:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GarthB
No, but she's still your sister.

That doesn't apply to barnyard animals though, does it? :confused:

I think I read that somewhere....Farmers Almanac maybe.

cshs81 Mon Jan 29, 2007 08:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountaineer
OJ was ruled ineligible in Ohio because he is 19 not because of attending HS for 4 years . . . in WV I think you can still attend HS until you are 27, the only stipulation is that you cannot enter into a grade past one your father is currently enrolled in . . .:D

(First part is true - second is embellished for humor sake.)

The first part is not true. OJ turned 19 in November. Ohio's cutoff is August 1st. He would have been eligible had he stayed at North College Hill High School.

cshs81 Mon Jan 29, 2007 08:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountaineer
Yes, there's a delay of game - however, the ref had the line on it and you really can't see OJ's mouth to see if he's saying anything - they had warned him about "yapping" previously. If he says anything - he deserved what he got.

Lets assume for the sake of argument that there had been no yapping or incidents prior to this dunk. Can the official still give a T for catching the dunk and walking down the floor? Or is a delay of game warning mandatory since its the first offense?

jmaellis Mon Jan 29, 2007 08:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by cshs81
Lets assume for the sake of argument that there had been no yapping or incidents prior to this dunk. Can the official still give a T for catching the dunk and walking down the floor? Or is a delay of game warning mandatory since its the first offense?

Maybe they had already given a warning for this offense, or one of the others that allow for a warning.

Mountaineer Mon Jan 29, 2007 09:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by cshs81
Lets assume for the sake of argument that there had been no yapping or incidents prior to this dunk. Can the official still give a T for catching the dunk and walking down the floor? Or is a delay of game warning mandatory since its the first offense?

It wasn't a delay of game T - it was a taunting T. He caught the ball and walked toward the opponant staring him down. Taunting in anyone's book.

If it had been delay, it would have been a warning on the first offense and a team T on the second - not on OJ.

My sister-aunt said to tell everyone HEY!

BktBallRef Mon Jan 29, 2007 09:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by cshs81
The first part is not true. OJ turned 19 in November. Ohio's cutoff is August 1st. He would have been eligible had he stayed at North College Hill High School.

True.

He would also be eligible in NC. He turned 19 on 11/5/06. Our cutoff date is October 16.

BktBallRef Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:06pm

Evidently, bench personnel came onto the floor. CYA!

HHS players file complaint

jmaellis Tue Jan 30, 2007 01:02am

http://www.thebrushback.com/ojmayo_full.htm

I now know all I need to know about O.J. Mayo.

Rich Tue Jan 30, 2007 01:26am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmaellis
http://www.thebrushback.com/ojmayo_full.htm

I now know all I need to know about O.J. Mayo.

This is clearly parody.

Rich Tue Jan 30, 2007 01:29am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef
Evidently, bench personnel came onto the floor. CYA!

HHS players file complaint

I've had so much fun reading the comments attached to the stories by the rednec^H^H^H^Hfans in West Virginia.

Of course, nobody has addressed why Mayo was following the official after getting tossed. As if he was demanding an explanation or something.

Naturally this ended up in court. Justice would have the court grant the temporary restraining order and then HHS has to forfeit once it's overturned.

JRutledge Tue Jan 30, 2007 01:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser
This is clearly parody.

He did not read this little line at the bottom apparently.

Copyright 2006, The Brushback - Do not reprint without permission. This article is satire and is not intended as actual news.

Peace

HawkeyeCubP Tue Jan 30, 2007 01:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmaellis
http://www.thebrushback.com/ojmayo_full.htm

I now know all I need to know about O.J. Mayo.

You know The Brushback is completely satirical, right? I'm not saying anything about any of these players being discussed, one way or the other - just wanted to make sure this point was clear.

Incidentally, a lot of it's content is pretty funny, and fairly poignant, relative to a lot of what is discussed on this forum.

HawkeyeCubP Tue Jan 30, 2007 01:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef
Evidently, bench personnel came onto the floor. CYA!

HHS players file complaint

My favorite part is where the attorney is quoted as saying something to the effect of these players did not knowingly violate the spirit and intent of these rules. Pure comedy, at its lowest form. Utterly laughable.

Rich Tue Jan 30, 2007 01:37am

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP
My favorite part is where the attorney is quoted as saying something to the effect of these players did not knowingly violate the spirit and intent of these rules. Pure comedy, at its lowest form. Utterly laughable.

If this was an NCAA team, the phrase "lack of institutional control" would be thrown about. But hey, anything for a mythical national championship.

I'd rather have a 5-15 team I could look at with pride rather than the thuggery and the defending of such thuggery coming from this school in WV.

Jurassic Referee Tue Jan 30, 2007 01:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser
I'd rather have a 5-15 team I could look at with pride rather than the thuggery and the <font color = red>defending of such thuggery</font> coming from this school in WV.

That's the amazing part to me also. They're actually trying to blame the official. Sad.

We'll see how it comes out, but I'll be amazed too if he gets what he deserves. They'll rationalize it away somehow.

SMEngmann Tue Jan 30, 2007 04:18am

This whole situation is absurd, and it reflects the changing values of our country. A rule is a rule and it is there for a reason, players, coaches and officials all have agreed to abide by the rules, which should be applied equally. Whoever said AAU mentality is right, Mayo and his teammates think that the rules should not apply to them, and this is a sad lesson. A state association sets a policy, the players violated that policy, so they should be held to account, period. These slick lawyers who are trying to repaint the situation are teaching the kids nothing but how to shirk and avoid responsibility as well as how to blame others. Grow up, be a man and take your punishment, don't be a weasel and use misdirection to avoid responsibility, that attitude takes you nowhere in life.

Jurassic Referee Tue Jan 30, 2007 07:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser
Of course, nobody has addressed why Mayo was following the official after getting tossed. As if he was demanding an explanation or something.

Here's another view of it, as well as his earlier "T"s. He shouldn't have been anyway near the official after his second "T".

http://www.modavox.com/boombox/Playe...px?FileId=4452

blindmanwalking Tue Jan 30, 2007 09:05am

I wonder how the news anchorman feels about it? :rolleyes:
My hat is off to this official. It's a shame he's getting steamrolled for simply enforcing good rules pertaining to sportsmanship.

Eastshire Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:01am

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindmanwalking
I wonder how the news anchorman feels about it? :rolleyes:
My hat is off to this official. It's a shame he's getting steamrolled for simply enforcing good rules pertaining to sportsmanship.

"Lightly brushes" WOW. Even if it was just a light bump, and I don't think it was, he has no business going anywhere but his bench. Both T's looked earned to me and he clearly was seeking confrontation with the official after the second T.

Should there have been a T to the head coach here for faliure to control bench personnel?

tmp44 Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:06am

The courts in West Virginia have granted an injunction to the players ejected for leaving the bench to play tonight in North Carolina and Thursday in Kentucky. Mayo has a hearing at 11am. Ridiculous.

All_Heart Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:17am

I just watched the second video and I'm not sure why a second technical was called (when it was). It would have been nice if one of the other officials could have whistled the second T.

I WAS NOT THERE SO I DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION! It just looks kind of bad that Lazo watches Mayo the whole time and is the same one that gives him both technicals. I will say that we don't know what happened all game long and Mayo could have been causing trouble throughout. I would love to watch this whole game! With 32 first half fouls it was probably a game that needed to be controled and this was the type of thing that they were trying to avoid.

After the first technical a player from the other team seems to say something which draws Mayo to the oppopnents. It seems that there could have been a technical called on the other team as well.

I hope Lazo can move past this because it sounds like he has a bright future.

Scrapper1 Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by All_Heart
It just looks kind of bad that Lazo watches Mayo the whole time and is the same one that gives him both technicals.

I don't mind him watching Mayo the whole time. Obviously, there was good reason to keep an eye on him. The problem is that, even though he is watching Mayo the whole time, he allows Mayo to get back to the pack of players at midcourt. If you keep him out of that, there's no second T to worry about.

All_Heart Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:26am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1
I don't mind him watching Mayo the whole time. Obviously, there was good reason to keep an eye on him. The problem is that, even though he is watching Mayo the whole time, he allows Mayo to get back to the pack of players at midcourt. If you keep him out of that, there's no second T to worry about.

Good point. If he steps inbetween then it is possibly avoided.

deecee Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:33am

what i DO find hard to believe is that if there WAS all this trash talking was it all coming from one side?

Looks like Mayo's second T could have/should have been a double on his opponents as well. I am just throwing this out there but what if Lazzo was heated and was looking to get back? a possibility yes? I dont know the answer -- the first T looked fine but from my experience trash talk is usually a two way street.

Honestly the second T does look suspect with how it went down and it would have been GREAT had one of the other 2 officials rung him up.

Eastshire Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by deecee
what i DO find hard to believe is that if there WAS all this trash talking was it all coming from one side?

Looks like Mayo's second T could have/should have been a double on his opponents as well. I am just throwing this out there but what if Lazzo was heated and was looking to get back? a possibility yes? I dont know the answer -- the first T looked fine but from my experience trash talk is usually a two way street.

Honestly the second T does look suspect with how it went down and it would have been GREAT had one of the other 2 officials rung him up.

I disagree, I think Mayo coming back into a pack of the other team's players with a look purpose is troubling.

I do agree that one of the other officials should have been babysitting Mayo until things got organized. That most likely would have prevented the second T.

tmp44 Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:51am

Mayo is playing tonight
 
http://www.wsaz.com/home/headlines/5410146.html

bgtg19 Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:58am

This whole incident, and reading and viewing the varioius reactions, does not particularly surprise me but it sure makes me sad. Here are a view thoughts, for what they are worth:

- As others have said, it is really difficult to put yourself in someone else's position. We didn't officiate the whole game and we see snippets of what occurred. We can't know the whole story.
- Early in this thread, the two non-calling officials came under some criticism for standing near mid-court and not going to their partner's aid. I don't think that's fair. In our association, we've agreed that in incidents where mayhem is starting to break out (or might), we need some eyes and ears to watch and listen. If they had jumped right in to "help," who was going to take numbers of the bench personnel who came off the bench? I don't think I'd fault an official for trying to step in to aid a partner, but nor do I think I should fault them for staying back and doing the other part of their job. It almost seems like a "d---ed if you do, d---ed if you don't" scenario.
- Since it appears that they did eject some Huntington bench players, there would be two more foul shots (one more T) *unless* Capital bench ejections off set Huntington's, no? If haven't seen any mention of Capital ejections.
- It would have been much better for everyone if another partner had gotten the second T instead of the same official. Sometimes, you have to call both, but it looked like the partners were also in the mix when Mayo walked back through the group the second time. As a lesson that we all can learn, I think if you've already gotten the first, you try to avoid the second unless it's something that you CANNOT let go and you HAVE to go get. I have no problem, in principle, with the second T. Mayo was going in for another stare down opportunity which is certainly not sporting, but the fact that it appears that he did not say anything and that others in that group from both teams may have been similarly "offending," the fact that the same official came and go the second one does open that judment up for additional questioning.
- Poor judgment on the assistant coach/lawyer's part. Look, if you are Mayo's assistant coach, find another attorney to handle his legal issues. You are not exactly a disinterested person who can dispassionately advise Mayo of his options and rights.
- It appeared to me that after the first T, he "brushed" into Opponent #12 who clearly did not move at all. We can't tell if #12 said anything or not, but if #12 didn't say anything, and he clearly didn't move, Mayo appears to be looking for trouble and feels no responsibility for avoiding contact. The attitute "appears" to be I'm-OJ-Mayo-and-you're-not-so-you-get-out-of-my-way-when-I'm-passing. The guys at the parody site would have said that better.
- As I watch the tape, I am stunned that no teammate goes to Mayo and tries to keep him away. Yeah, someone tugged his jersey and tried to get him out initially, but where is the teammate who stays with him and talks sense to him? I don't know if the teammates are incapable of doing this or if Mayo himself has made it clear that he does not welcome that.
- It does appear that Lazo takes a peek and notices Mayo coming. Lazo admits, if the friend reported accurately, that he saw something out of the corner of his eye. I absolutely agree that Mayo has no business anywhere near him, but it also does seem that Lazo might have embellished the fall a little.

Even with good, even great, high school teams, it would seem to me that the educational value of athletics would remain paramount. Sadly, I don't see much evidence of that....

deecee Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:12pm

if only OS and his STARE was there ---

http://www.deliriousfilm.com/exorcis...s/xscarfac.JPG

this would have prevented everything

Ignats75 Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:20pm

He's doing the TV game.

SeanFitzRef Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:23pm

Then OS would've given him the 'stop sign'!!!

http://e-instantwealth.com/assets/im...p_sign_cop.jpg

:D

Rich Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:35pm

Is any of this surprising?

Nope. I would've been surprised if the West Virginia judge didn't allow the West Virginia players to play in a game showcasing a West Virginia high school.

I'll probably watch tonight, knowing that eventually the game will be forfeited. I hope ESPN plays up the altercation/technicals/thuggery, though.

deecee Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:41pm

ya they will play that up -- when heck freezes over.

Its sad to see a sport that I have enjoyed for so long get ruined by empty suits, lack of pride/dignity/honor, and idiots all for a buck. And we wonder why so many "superstars" have so many issues in life. Its because they were never taught to deal with those issues -- someone else always managed them.

Jurassic Referee Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tmp44

As I said, I'm not surprised.

They're dancing in the streets in West Virginia. Sad......

David B Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:53pm

Simply unbelievable!
 
Not surprising, but hard to believe. Obviously the state officials have no integrity. Not only should the player be suspended, but his coach should be suspended for allowing it to happen.

In reading the coach's comments - he wanted only a delay of game for the taunting?? Now that's integrity from a coach.
Accept responsibility for your players!

Should be very interesting to see the spin that ESPN puts on it.

Thanks
David

TriggerMN Tue Jan 30, 2007 01:36pm

Why don't the officials scheduled to work tonight's game, and all officials for that matter, stand up for their fellow officials and refuse to work the game?

Rich Tue Jan 30, 2007 01:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by David B
Not surprising, but hard to believe. Obviously the state officials have no integrity. Not only should the player be suspended, but his coach should be suspended for allowing it to happen.

In reading the coach's comments - he wanted only a delay of game for the taunting?? Now that's integrity from a coach.
Accept responsibility for your players!

Should be very interesting to see the spin that ESPN puts on it.

Thanks
David

It's clear this school has already made its deal with the devil.

Jurassic Referee Tue Jan 30, 2007 01:42pm

Just a thought......

Remember the NHL playoff game back in the 80's? The one where the NJ Devils' coach got tossed for contacting the referee and calling him a fat pig? He was suspended, and NJ went out and got an injunction also that allowed him to coach their next game. The NHL officials unanimously said "Fine, officiate the damn game yourself". The NHL then had to find some amateur guys to do the game. It would be kinda nice if the officials assigned to the ESPN game tonight told 'em the same thing--"Sorry, changed my mind. I'm busy tonight". I know that if I was assigned to the game tonight, I'd tell them to find someone else.

Won't happen, but I can dream.....:)

Jurassic Referee Tue Jan 30, 2007 01:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by TriggerMN
Why don't the officials scheduled to work tonight's game, and all officials for that matter, stand up for their fellow officials and refuse to work the game?

Great minds think alike.....

I was writing almost the same thing when you posted.

cmathews Tue Jan 30, 2007 01:45pm

slippery slope
 
That would be a nice thing to have happen. I do see a couple integrity things here though. If they have indeed signed a contract and I assume they have, it is tough not to honor it, however, it sure would be nice to see us as a group stand together, and support what is truly right......

WhistlesAndStripes Tue Jan 30, 2007 01:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Just a thought......

Remember the NHL playoff game back in the 80's? The one where the NJ Devils' coach got tossed for contacting the referee and calling him a fat pig? He was suspended, and NJ went out and got an injunction also that allowed him to coach their next game. The NHL officials unanimously said "Fine, officiate the damn game yourself". The NHL then had to find some amateur guys to do the game. It would be kinda nice if the officials assigned to the ESPN game tonight told 'em the same thing--"Sorry, changed my mind. I'm busy tonight". I know that if I was assigned to the game tonight, I'd tell them to find someone else.

Won't happen, but I can dream.....:)

And the best time to tell them this would be about 10 minutes before tipoff. :D

BayStateRef Tue Jan 30, 2007 01:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by David B
Should be very interesting to see the spin that ESPN puts on it.

I checked the ESPN schedule and my local cable TV schedule and I do not see any of the three games from the Durham Hoophall Classic listed for today. Is the game still scheduled for TV? (Huntington/Artesia is supposed to be at 8:30 p.m. EST)

Rich Tue Jan 30, 2007 01:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BayStateRef
I checked the ESPN schedule and my local cable TV schedule I do not see any of the three games from the Durham Hoophall Classic listed for today. Is the game still scheduled for TV? (Huntington/Artesia is supposed to be at 8:30 p.m. EST)

Sorry for the misinformation -- I figured with all this hoopla the game must be televised on ESPN or something. I just did a DirecTV search and the game is not nationally televised, it appears.

JRutledge Tue Jan 30, 2007 02:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by TriggerMN
Why don't the officials scheduled to work tonight's game, and all officials for that matter, stand up for their fellow officials and refuse to work the game?

I think that is unrealistic. You want the officials to turn back a game, put the assignor in a bind to change assignments to fill the games? I do not think it is about supporting fellow officials, it is putting themselves in a bad situation if they do such a thing. If they want to support their officials there are other ways to do this. If anything you require the teams be on their best behavior and you penalize any action that might teeter on unsportsmanlike behavior. That sounds like the obvious thing to do, but not very realistic. I might eliminate every game with that assignor and other assignors if I made such a choice.

Peace


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