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Old Fri Jan 21, 2000, 10:48am
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Here's one that looks like soccer discussion.

Player A1 is dribbling the ball. He attempts a pass to A2 only to have B1 throw his leg out to stop the ball. The ball hits player B1 above the knee drops to the floor and B1 recovers the ball. Legal play?

I say "play on" how about you?
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Old Fri Jan 21, 2000, 11:11am
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Opposing coach might not like it, or the fans for that matter, but . . . play on!
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Old Fri Jan 21, 2000, 11:12am
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Rule 4 Section 29 - KICKING THE BALL
Kicking the ball is intentionally striking it with the knee or any part of the leg or foot below the knee.

So if you don't think it hit ANY part of the knee....I agree...Play on!

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Old Sun Jan 23, 2000, 01:29am
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I know that we are looking at a literal definition from the rule book...But lets weigh the advantage/disadvantage of the play.

There's no advantage/disadvantage to weigh here [1]. If "The Man" wanted intentionally striking the ball with the thigh to be illegal, it would be in the Rule Book.

Advantage/disadvantage is great, but you can't use it to penalize a play that's completely legal. Even if in your opinion that play should be illegal.

[1] Well, there is a major advantage/disadvantage weighing to be done here by the player if he happens to be of the male gender. If the ball takes a bad bounce or if he miscalculates by a little bit, he'll be put at a major disadvantage...
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Old Sun Jan 23, 2000, 03:02am
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Okay, Okay, I know that we are looking at a literal definition from the rule book, and you guys are correct in your calling it a non-kick. But lets weigh the advantage/disadvantage of the play. This was an obvious foot strike attempt and just because he gets lucky and happens to hit above the knee, I am not going to let him get away with a kick here. The key is if you judge that he INTENTIONALLY is kicking at the ball to stop a pass. I probably am the only one to see it this way, but there are some black and white definitions from the book that jsut don't serve the purpose in certain situations.
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Old Sun Jan 23, 2000, 04:39pm
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Divey:

This is obviously NOT a kick. To call it a kick when the ball obviously struck above the knee only confuses the players, coaches, and spectators who legitimately know the rules.
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Old Tue Jan 25, 2000, 12:43am
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Pirate,

Where in my original posting did I call it a "kick"? I stated that the player "threw out his leg", which by the way is no different than the player throwing his body out in front of the ball.(as long as the ball hits the player above the knee)

No advantage just a great defensive play!
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Old Tue Jan 25, 2000, 01:10am
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In reply to this situation:
Fed.= It is a kick ball if the player intentionally kicks it. Kicking includes the knee and anything below the knee.
NCAA= It is a kick if the player intentionally kicks it. Kicking includes ANY part of the leg. (Therefore, if a player moves his/her leg in such a manner that the inside of the thigh contacts the ball--intentionally-then it must be called a kick.
Women= I am not sure what the ruling is.
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Old Tue Jan 25, 2000, 09:25am
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Originally posted by Pirate on 01-23-2000 03:39 PM
Divey:

This is obviously NOT a kick. To call it a kick when the ball obviously struck above the knee only confuses the players, coaches, and spectators who legitimately know the rules.


I don't think there are any players, coaches, or spectators who legitimately know the rules. I think the player kicked the ball with his knee but it's your call.
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Old Tue Jan 25, 2000, 05:16pm
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Ron can I find this rule book online and is Rule 4 Section 29 referring to NBA, Collegiate, or International rules?

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Originally posted by Ron Pilo on 01-21-2000 10:12 AM
Rule 4 Section 29 - KICKING THE BALL
Kicking the ball is intentionally striking it with the knee or any part of the leg or foot below the knee.

So if you don't think it hit ANY part of the knee....I agree...Play on!




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Old Wed Jan 26, 2000, 01:54am
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Ralph:

With all due respect, some of the best advice I got as a coach (in the 18 years I did coach) was that I should learn the rule book. It gives coaches more credibility when they do question a call concerning the rules! And for officials to assume that all coaches do not know the rules would be a bit presumptuous. I must admit however, that most spectators and players do not know the rules. You got me there:-)

And divey, sorry, I meant to address Jeremy with his kick ruling in this instance.

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Old Wed Jan 26, 2000, 06:38am
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Okay it's a kick and I WILL call it accordingly!! thanks guys!
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