got the stop sign last night

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Jway44

OK, 2 things here. The stop sign is kind of funny, but in all reality it sounds as if you were given the stop sign because you are an assistant coach. Assistants are bench personnel and have no reason to speak to the official. Any questions or comments should come from the head coach only. So, as comical as the stop sign was since your team was obviously trying to get the player with the attitude problem out of the game, you, as an assistant, should not have had any comment on the matter at all. In my opinion the stop sign was your warning before you as bench personell recieved a technical. Remember the quote posted here a few weeks ago: "Sorry Robin, we only talk to Batman". That is probably why the stop sign came out.

In the immortal words of Sgt. Hulka, "Lighten up, Francis."

This assistant coach was attempting to help defuse a bad situation, and for the ref to pull out the big stop sign at that point is ridiculous.

[Jway44]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

In the immortal words of Sgt. Hulka, "Lighten up, Francis."

This assistant coach was attempting to help defuse a bad situation, and for the ref to pull out the big stop sign at that point is ridiculous.

So are you going to let Johnny sitting at the end of the bench make the same comment? Bench personnel is bench personnel. There is no difference between a bench player and an assistant coach. If anything needs to be said, let the HC handle it. I think that in that situation, the sub probably should have been let in just to help difuse the situation, but either way, the assistant coach should just be quiet.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Jway44

So are you going to let Johnny sitting at the end of the bench make the same comment? Bench personnel is bench personnel. There is no difference between a bench player and an assistant coach. If anything needs to be said, let the HC handle it. I think that in that situation, the sub probably should have been let in just to help difuse the situation, but either way, the assistant coach should just be quiet.

If the "bench personnel" are trying to help defuse the situation, I'm sure not going to get on the old high horse and hit them with the Stop sign...

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

If the "bench personnel" are trying to help defuse the situation, I'm sure not going to get on the old high horse and hit them with the Stop sign...

You've got to have an alternate plan, DJ, you CAN'T get on the old high horse.

Okay, seriously, I can see your point. So what do you do? Answer the question of why not? Ignore the Asst? What?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

You've got to have an alternate plan, DJ, you CAN'T get on the old high horse.

Okay, seriously, I can see your point. So what do you do? Answer the question of why not? Ignore the Asst? What?

I don't get it...

I will more than likely let the sub come in and get the little problem-child off the court...I really have no problem talking with assistant coaches in a situation like this one...now if that assistant is chirping, arguing, helping me ref, etc, that's a different story...but the stop sign in this situation was - as I said before - ridiculous.

[tomegun]

A perfect illustration of why I don't care for the stop sign. It seems as though this assistant was trying to help the situation. What if it was an irate coach instead of a player? If the assistant was trying to calm the coach down and told you so would you give him the almighty stop sign? BTW, I haven't reported it lately, but I got my stop sign down to .347 seconds and pulled a muscle. I've been given muscle relaxers and was told to refrain from using the stop sign for the rest of the season. My stop sign will be ready for summer leagues though.

[Junker]

Originally Posted by tomegun

A perfect illustration of why I don't care for the stop sign. It seems as though this assistant was trying to help the situation. What if it was an irate coach instead of a player? If the assistant was trying to calm the coach down and told you so would you give him the almighty stop sign? BTW, I haven't reported it lately, but I got my stop sign down to .347 seconds and pulled a muscle. I've been given muscle relaxers and was told to refrain from using the stop sign for the rest of the season. My stop sign will be ready for summer leagues though.

A stop sign in summer leagues? When we're not getting paid full price? I just use the T sign.

[Jway44]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

If the "bench personnel" are trying to help defuse the situation, I'm sure not going to get on the old high horse and hit them with the Stop sign...

In that situation, the stop sign was not necessary. But the only reason that I could figure that he gave one was because it was the assistant that was doing the talking.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

In the immortal words of Sgt. Hulka, "Lighten up, Francis."

Here's to Rockyroad, our new "Big Toe!"

[Ignats75]

I'm about as anti ***'t Coaches as anyone. The only think I ever want to hear from them is "No NO it was a good call" to the head coach.

But IMHO, this is waaay over the top in heavy-handedness.

[biz]

I agree that the stop sign was probably because I was the assistant and it probably didn't help that the HC was already sitting on a T from earlier, but as I've said before coaches are people just like officials. Talk to the assistant coach in this case or as I said in the OP tell the HC you don't want to hear from the AC, but the stop sign is childish.

That being said...when I'm officiating I don't mind responding (especially in this case during, a dead ball, in close proximity, not yelling) to an assistant's respectful question or request.

BTW...HC in this case after the game said to me that he enjoyed coaching from his seat and he might try it the rest of the season

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by biz

BTW...HC in this case after the game said to me that he enjoyed coaching from his seat and he might try it the rest of the season

It's funny but I've had a couple of coaches that seem to coach better when they are sitting. When these coaches are standing they feel they have to put on a coaching show for the parents, fans, players, etc. They feel the need to show everyone that they are "coaching" or "working the officials". This is just my observation with a few coaches.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Here's to Rockyroad, our new "Big Toe!"

That's the facts, Jack!!

[M&M Guy]

Now, let me chime in with a slightly more cynical view. (Maybe since I'm still using cold medications it's affecting my normally cheerful personality...) In the OP, we just heard the asst. coach's point of view; we haven't heard from the official. What else happened throughout the game? Had there been other comments made prior to this? What tone of voice did this asst. use, or what were the facial expressions? Granted, it appears the official was heavy-handed, in this version. But since we don't know all the facts, I'm not ready to hang the official yet on this one. For example, I had to T a coach this year for simply saying, "Oh my god." And he asked my why he got the T just for saying that. Of course, that fact that he said it loudly, with his hands raised, standing outside the coach's box, after I had reported a foul on his team played a big part in the decision, not just the words alone.

Originally Posted by biz

As the FTs are about to be shot our player who has been T'd is still fuming but has moved away from benches so we can't calm him down or even threaten him to get him to knock off the idiocy.

Um, calling the kid over to the bench wasn't an option? Was the kid so far away from the bench he was out of earshot of anyone on the bench telling him to get his azz over here? So, is there another side to the story? Maybe not, but just sayin'.

As for letting the sub in, I probably wouldn't have allowed it until after the first FT as well, since there were multiple FT's and it wasn't a disqualifying foul. Now that I look at it closely, it does say "personal" foul. So maybe I do have the option of trying to diffuse the situation quicker by allowing the sub in for this player.