got the stop sign last night

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Jway44

So are you going to let Johnny sitting at the end of the bench make the same comment? Bench personnel is bench personnel. There is no difference between a bench player and an assistant coach. If anything needs to be said, let the HC handle it. I think that in that situation, the sub probably should have been let in just to help difuse the situation, but either way, the assistant coach should just be quiet.

If the "bench personnel" are trying to help defuse the situation, I'm sure not going to get on the old high horse and hit them with the Stop sign...

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

If the "bench personnel" are trying to help defuse the situation, I'm sure not going to get on the old high horse and hit them with the Stop sign...

You've got to have an alternate plan, DJ, you CAN'T get on the old high horse.

Okay, seriously, I can see your point. So what do you do? Answer the question of why not? Ignore the Asst? What?

[tomegun]

A perfect illustration of why I don't care for the stop sign. It seems as though this assistant was trying to help the situation. What if it was an irate coach instead of a player? If the assistant was trying to calm the coach down and told you so would you give him the almighty stop sign? BTW, I haven't reported it lately, but I got my stop sign down to .347 seconds and pulled a muscle. I've been given muscle relaxers and was told to refrain from using the stop sign for the rest of the season. My stop sign will be ready for summer leagues though.

[Jway44]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

If the "bench personnel" are trying to help defuse the situation, I'm sure not going to get on the old high horse and hit them with the Stop sign...

In that situation, the stop sign was not necessary. But the only reason that I could figure that he gave one was because it was the assistant that was doing the talking.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

In the immortal words of Sgt. Hulka, "Lighten up, Francis."

Here's to Rockyroad, our new "Big Toe!"

[Ignats75]

I'm about as anti ***'t Coaches as anyone. The only think I ever want to hear from them is "No NO it was a good call" to the head coach.

But IMHO, this is waaay over the top in heavy-handedness.

[biz]

I agree that the stop sign was probably because I was the assistant and it probably didn't help that the HC was already sitting on a T from earlier, but as I've said before coaches are people just like officials. Talk to the assistant coach in this case or as I said in the OP tell the HC you don't want to hear from the AC, but the stop sign is childish.

That being said...when I'm officiating I don't mind responding (especially in this case during, a dead ball, in close proximity, not yelling) to an assistant's respectful question or request.

BTW...HC in this case after the game said to me that he enjoyed coaching from his seat and he might try it the rest of the season

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Here's to Rockyroad, our new "Big Toe!"

That's the facts, Jack!!

[M&M Guy]

Now, let me chime in with a slightly more cynical view. (Maybe since I'm still using cold medications it's affecting my normally cheerful personality...) In the OP, we just heard the asst. coach's point of view; we haven't heard from the official. What else happened throughout the game? Had there been other comments made prior to this? What tone of voice did this asst. use, or what were the facial expressions? Granted, it appears the official was heavy-handed, in this version. But since we don't know all the facts, I'm not ready to hang the official yet on this one. For example, I had to T a coach this year for simply saying, "Oh my god." And he asked my why he got the T just for saying that. Of course, that fact that he said it loudly, with his hands raised, standing outside the coach's box, after I had reported a foul on his team played a big part in the decision, not just the words alone.

Originally Posted by biz

As the FTs are about to be shot our player who has been T'd is still fuming but has moved away from benches so we can't calm him down or even threaten him to get him to knock off the idiocy.

Um, calling the kid over to the bench wasn't an option? Was the kid so far away from the bench he was out of earshot of anyone on the bench telling him to get his azz over here? So, is there another side to the story? Maybe not, but just sayin'.

As for letting the sub in, I probably wouldn't have allowed it until after the first FT as well, since there were multiple FT's and it wasn't a disqualifying foul. Now that I look at it closely, it does say "personal" foul. So maybe I do have the option of trying to diffuse the situation quicker by allowing the sub in for this player.

[rbruno]

Originally Posted by biz

Tomegun, you'll love this...

last night, tight game, pretty well officiated overall. Head Coach has received a T earlier in the game (well deserved). Player from our team receives a T for acting like an idiot and is on his way to receiving a second because he believes opposing team's player deserves a T as well. Official tells HC to "take care of player or I will!" HC (from his seat) tells official he already has sent a sub to the table (sub had gone to table as soon as T was reported). As the FTs are about to be shot our player who has been T'd is still fuming but has moved away from benches so we can't calm him down or even threaten him to get him to knock off the idiocy.

The calling official stayed tableside for the FTs and tells the sub he needs to wait until after the FTs to enter and after he says this he warns HC again that he is ready to give our player another T if he doesn't calm down. So I said, "We appreciate the warning and we're trying to help you out and get him out of the game, so why not just let us make the sub right now?" He looks me right in the eye (from 5ft away) and gives me the dreaded stop sign .

I had to bite my lip from laughing, because it was the silliest thing I have ever seen. Just tell me that you're going to wait or that he's going to wait until the appropriate time by rule, or even tell me (or the HC) that he isn't addressing the concerns of the assistant coach, but the stop sign is perhaps the most childish thing I have ever seen.

Is that you the very knowledgable NR assitant coach and capable official?

[biz]

Originally Posted by rbruno

Is that you the very knowledgable NR assitant coach and capable official?

In the virtual flesh.

Unbelievable game last night. Down by as much as 18 and won it at the buzzer.

[Junker]

Upon further study..... I agree that a technical foul is not a personal foul (this I knew before) but as the rule state subs come after the first free throw on a multiple free throw personal foul. This would mean that if a sub is available before the first on a T, you can allow them by rule. It'd be nice if this was a casebook play. I'll check my rules study software tonight and see if it has been in the casebook recently.