got the stop sign last night

[Jway44]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

No, it's not. Is is counted toward one of the five fouls for disqualification, though.

Right. Wrong choice of words.

[Junker]

Upon further study..... I agree that a technical foul is not a personal foul (this I knew before) but as the rule state subs come after the first free throw on a multiple free throw personal foul. This would mean that if a sub is available before the first on a T, you can allow them by rule. It'd be nice if this was a casebook play. I'll check my rules study software tonight and see if it has been in the casebook recently.

[Jway44]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

In the immortal words of Sgt. Hulka, "Lighten up, Francis."

This assistant coach was attempting to help defuse a bad situation, and for the ref to pull out the big stop sign at that point is ridiculous.

So are you going to let Johnny sitting at the end of the bench make the same comment? Bench personnel is bench personnel. There is no difference between a bench player and an assistant coach. If anything needs to be said, let the HC handle it. I think that in that situation, the sub probably should have been let in just to help difuse the situation, but either way, the assistant coach should just be quiet.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Jway44

So are you going to let Johnny sitting at the end of the bench make the same comment? Bench personnel is bench personnel. There is no difference between a bench player and an assistant coach. If anything needs to be said, let the HC handle it. I think that in that situation, the sub probably should have been let in just to help difuse the situation, but either way, the assistant coach should just be quiet.

If the "bench personnel" are trying to help defuse the situation, I'm sure not going to get on the old high horse and hit them with the Stop sign...

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

If the "bench personnel" are trying to help defuse the situation, I'm sure not going to get on the old high horse and hit them with the Stop sign...

You've got to have an alternate plan, DJ, you CAN'T get on the old high horse.

Okay, seriously, I can see your point. So what do you do? Answer the question of why not? Ignore the Asst? What?

[tomegun]

A perfect illustration of why I don't care for the stop sign. It seems as though this assistant was trying to help the situation. What if it was an irate coach instead of a player? If the assistant was trying to calm the coach down and told you so would you give him the almighty stop sign? BTW, I haven't reported it lately, but I got my stop sign down to .347 seconds and pulled a muscle. I've been given muscle relaxers and was told to refrain from using the stop sign for the rest of the season. My stop sign will be ready for summer leagues though.

[Jway44]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

If the "bench personnel" are trying to help defuse the situation, I'm sure not going to get on the old high horse and hit them with the Stop sign...

In that situation, the stop sign was not necessary. But the only reason that I could figure that he gave one was because it was the assistant that was doing the talking.

[Junker]

Originally Posted by tomegun

A perfect illustration of why I don't care for the stop sign. It seems as though this assistant was trying to help the situation. What if it was an irate coach instead of a player? If the assistant was trying to calm the coach down and told you so would you give him the almighty stop sign? BTW, I haven't reported it lately, but I got my stop sign down to .347 seconds and pulled a muscle. I've been given muscle relaxers and was told to refrain from using the stop sign for the rest of the season. My stop sign will be ready for summer leagues though.

A stop sign in summer leagues? When we're not getting paid full price? I just use the T sign.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

You've got to have an alternate plan, DJ, you CAN'T get on the old high horse.

Okay, seriously, I can see your point. So what do you do? Answer the question of why not? Ignore the Asst? What?

I don't get it...

I will more than likely let the sub come in and get the little problem-child off the court...I really have no problem talking with assistant coaches in a situation like this one...now if that assistant is chirping, arguing, helping me ref, etc, that's a different story...but the stop sign in this situation was - as I said before - ridiculous.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

In the immortal words of Sgt. Hulka, "Lighten up, Francis."

Here's to Rockyroad, our new "Big Toe!"

[Ignats75]

I'm about as anti ***'t Coaches as anyone. The only think I ever want to hear from them is "No NO it was a good call" to the head coach.

But IMHO, this is waaay over the top in heavy-handedness.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Here's to Rockyroad, our new "Big Toe!"

That's the facts, Jack!!

[biz]

I agree that the stop sign was probably because I was the assistant and it probably didn't help that the HC was already sitting on a T from earlier, but as I've said before coaches are people just like officials. Talk to the assistant coach in this case or as I said in the OP tell the HC you don't want to hear from the AC, but the stop sign is childish.

That being said...when I'm officiating I don't mind responding (especially in this case during, a dead ball, in close proximity, not yelling) to an assistant's respectful question or request.

BTW...HC in this case after the game said to me that he enjoyed coaching from his seat and he might try it the rest of the season

[biz]

Originally Posted by rbruno

Is that you the very knowledgable NR assitant coach and capable official?

In the virtual flesh.

Unbelievable game last night. Down by as much as 18 and won it at the buzzer.

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by biz

BTW...HC in this case after the game said to me that he enjoyed coaching from his seat and he might try it the rest of the season

It's funny but I've had a couple of coaches that seem to coach better when they are sitting. When these coaches are standing they feel they have to put on a coaching show for the parents, fans, players, etc. They feel the need to show everyone that they are "coaching" or "working the officials". This is just my observation with a few coaches.