...so I ran him...

[rainmaker]

really ugly 7th grade boys' game. lots and lots of fouls that we passed on because the clock was ticking on toward the next game. Both coaches complaining about the no-calls about equally. 3rd quarter, in front of V coach, who's ahead by about 12 or so, ball turns over and we're racing back the other way. I'm new trail, watching the press. As I run up the sideline right next to the coach, he jumps up and lands on one stomping foot and then the other, simultaneously throwing his hands straight up in the air, right in front of my face, and shouting (loud enough that my partner on the far endline heard him), "Wwwaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!" See title. Sheez.

[Ref Daddy]

ran him .... out of the game with 2, or to his seat with 1?

[Teigan]

What about ran him with just one....

[rainmaker]

Flagrant. Making a travesty of the game. You got a problem with that?

[Ref Daddy]

No problem here .. hope he learned his lesson!

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Ref Daddy

No problem here .. hope he learned his lesson!

Yup, I hope so, too. I also hope the dad who came up to me and told me that I "can't give a flagrant technical to a coach" learns his lesson when he calls my assignor and reports me, as he threatened/promised to do.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Flagrant. Making a travesty of the game. You got a problem with that?

I do. How is a coach stomping and yelling making a travesty of the game?

Unsporting? Yeah. Ejection? Possibly. But I don't see how that makes a travesty of the game. Perhaps the travesty was ignoring "lots and lots of fouls......because the clock was ticking on toward the next game."

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I do. How is a coach stomping and yelling making a travesty of the game?

Yea, perhaps travesty isn't the best word. It was just so clearly not a basketball related action. It was a personal threat and it had nothing to do with what was happening in the game.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Flagrant. Making a travesty of the game. You got a problem with that?

I guess I don't have a "problem" with it. But a technical foul, even a flagrant one, is not the penalty for making a travesty of the game, by rule.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

really ugly 7th grade boys' game. lots and lots of fouls that we passed on because the clock was ticking on toward the next game. Both coaches complaining about the no-calls about equally. .

I have a problem with the blue part. I know when I played if officials weren't making foul calls I took that as license to be a hatchet man.

Call the fouls until all the players foul out if that's what you have to do.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I have a problem with the blue part. I know when I played if officials weren't making foul calls I took that as license to be a hatchet man.

Call the fouls until all the players foul out if that's what you have to do.

I agree with this, but I wasn't on my turf, just helping out a friend, and I didn't realize the philosophy before I got into it. I know, I know, just call my game, but it didn't seem to me that I had the right to impose myself on a whole different situation than I'm used to. I adopted the "get in, get done, get out" thing, and just got out. And I won't be back anytime soon!

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I agree with this, but I wasn't on my turf, just helping out a friend, and I didn't realize the philosophy before I got into it. I know, I know, just call my game, but it didn't seem to me that I had the right to impose myself on a whole different situation than I'm used to. I adopted the "get in, get done, get out" thing, and just got out. And I won't be back anytime soon!

Rainmaker, I understand the "get in, get done get out" approach. However, when, I am in a new environment this is when I be more assertive.

1. I want to let them know I understand the game and officiating

2. I want them to know that they will get a well officiated game with out regards of who is officiating.

I would have just penalized the behavior initially. If for some reason the coach still does not understand. I would have run the coach. It appears that the initial problem was there was a lot of foul, which would have been called if it was not for a time restraint. I ask we as officials be carefully on how we approach time constraints. Would it have been any different it the game went into overtime? I believe not.

Personally, I do not have a problem on running the coach. The way it was presented is you ran the coach, because of the jumping up and down on the sideline. This may not be the entire picture. JMO.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Personally, I do not have a problem on running the coach. The way it was presented is you ran the coach, because of the jumping up and down on the sideline. This may not be the entire picture. JMO.

It was the stomping, the waving his hands very pointedly right in front of my face, and the bellowing directly in my ear. It was a single act, timed to happen just as I was right in front of him. It was a physical, personal threat, designed to intimidate and belittle me. Designed, I say!!

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

It was the stomping, the waving his hands very pointedly right in front of my face, and the bellowing directly in my ear. It was a single act, timed to happen just as I was right in front of him. It was a physical, personal threat, designed to intimidate and belittle me. Designed, I say!!

OK, this is the entire picture. You did not initially include that in your original post. You did right to run the coach!

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

It was the stomping, the waving his hands very pointedly right in front of my face, and the bellowing directly in my ear. It was a single act, timed to happen just as I was right in front of him. It was a physical, personal threat, designed to intimidate and belittle me. Designed, I say!!

Who are you trying to convince, us or yourself?