...so I ran him...

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I agree with this, but I wasn't on my turf, just helping out a friend, and I didn't realize the philosophy before I got into it. I know, I know, just call my game, but it didn't seem to me that I had the right to impose myself on a whole different situation than I'm used to. I adopted the "get in, get done, get out" thing, and just got out. And I won't be back anytime soon!

Rainmaker, I understand the "get in, get done get out" approach. However, when, I am in a new environment this is when I be more assertive.

1. I want to let them know I understand the game and officiating

2. I want them to know that they will get a well officiated game with out regards of who is officiating.

I would have just penalized the behavior initially. If for some reason the coach still does not understand. I would have run the coach. It appears that the initial problem was there was a lot of foul, which would have been called if it was not for a time restraint. I ask we as officials be carefully on how we approach time constraints. Would it have been any different it the game went into overtime? I believe not.

Personally, I do not have a problem on running the coach. The way it was presented is you ran the coach, because of the jumping up and down on the sideline. This may not be the entire picture. JMO.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Personally, I do not have a problem on running the coach. The way it was presented is you ran the coach, because of the jumping up and down on the sideline. This may not be the entire picture. JMO.

It was the stomping, the waving his hands very pointedly right in front of my face, and the bellowing directly in my ear. It was a single act, timed to happen just as I was right in front of him. It was a physical, personal threat, designed to intimidate and belittle me. Designed, I say!!

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

It was the stomping, the waving his hands very pointedly right in front of my face, and the bellowing directly in my ear. It was a single act, timed to happen just as I was right in front of him. It was a physical, personal threat, designed to intimidate and belittle me. Designed, I say!!

OK, this is the entire picture. You did not initially include that in your original post. You did right to run the coach!

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

It was the stomping, the waving his hands very pointedly right in front of my face, and the bellowing directly in my ear. It was a single act, timed to happen just as I was right in front of him. It was a physical, personal threat, designed to intimidate and belittle me. Designed, I say!!

Who are you trying to convince, us or yourself?

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Who are you trying to convince, us or yourself?

You're the one that questioned, not me!

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

You're the one that questioned, not me!

Where did I question?

I didn't question.

truerookie didn't question.

But you certainly answered him quite defensively.

"It was the stomping, the waving his hands very pointedly right in front of my face, and the bellowing directly in my ear. It was a single act, timed to happen just as I was right in front of him. It was a physical, personal threat, designed to intimidate and belittle me. Designed, I say!!"

[blindzebra]

Get in, get done, get out in this situation is a complete cop out.

If you are in a new situation you should take the opportunity to raise their level to the level you are accustomed too and not lower yourself to theirs. As officials we should feel obligated to always do our best and the best for the game regardless of partners or situations...call our game, and hopefully raise the bar for everyone else.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Where did I question?

I didn't question.

truerookie didn't question.

But you certainly answered him quite defensively.

"It was the stomping, the waving his hands very pointedly right in front of my face, and the bellowing directly in my ear. It was a single act, timed to happen just as I was right in front of him. It was a physical, personal threat, designed to intimidate and belittle me. Designed, I say!!"

true rookie said, "Personally, I do not have a problem on running the coach. The way it was presented is you ran the coach, because of the jumping up and down on the sideline. This may not be the entire picture. JMO."

I originally posted, "he jumps up and lands on one stomping foot and then the other, simultaneously throwing his hands straight up in the air, right in front of my face, and shouting (loud enough that my partner on the far endline heard him), "Wwwaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!"" I was just clarifying that it wasn't just for jumping up and down.

You said, "I do. How is a coach stomping and yelling making a travesty of the game?

Unsporting? Yeah. Ejection? Possibly. "

I took that as questioning. I guess I misunderstood. I don't feel defensive about making the call. Which is rare for me, I usually question everything I do.

Frankly, I don't feel defensive about the tone of the games and the no-calls. I was helping out a friend, and I did it in the way that would be helpful to him. For me to assert (inject?) my own philosophy into a situation that had nothing to do with me was simply not appropriate. I will assert myself next time by simply not doing those games again.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

For me to assert (inject?) my own philosophy into a situation that had nothing to do with me was simply not appropriate.

See BZ's post.

I just think you're dismissing a lot of things. Based on what you've said, the way the game was called was not fair to the kids. Maybe I'm wrong but that's just me. Anyway, I'm done.