Frontcourt or backcourt

[PP]

Did I make the right call ?

A2 shoots and misses, then A1 in his frontcourt tips or bats the rebound and the ball goes untouched to the backcourt. A3 then recovers the ball (in the backcourt) and play continues. Of course the other team complains and I tell them that there is no team control on a rebound and the team who has shot has the right to recover the ball even though it has gone into the backcourt.

[Dan_ref]

Hmmm, a bat is defined as intentionally striking the ball
with the hand. If you judged the touch as a deliberate act
then you do have team control. If it glanced off a players
hand then your call is correct.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
If you judged the touch as a deliberate act
then you do have team control.

Hmmm...based on what rule?

[mick]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Hmmm, a bat is defined as intentionally striking the ball
with the hand. If you judged the touch as a deliberate act
then you do have team control. If it glanced off a players
hand then your call is correct.

?

mick

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Hmmm, a bat is defined as intentionally striking the ball
with the hand. If you judged the touch as a deliberate act
then you do have team control. If it glanced off a players
hand then your call is correct.

This is correct - NOT!

When a shot is taken, there is a loss of team control. During a period of no team control, there cannot be an over and back call (team control is one of the four elements of this violation). Team control is initially established when player control is established (and yes, you can lose player control and still have team control, but I'm referring to the initial establishment of team control when there has been none). Player control is defined as holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds. A bat is not holding the ball and a bat is not dribbling the ball. There is nothing in the definition of player control about anything being "deliberate".

And.....just so we don't have to go through the over and back rule again for the umpteenth time, the four elements are:

1) there must be team control
2) the ball must have achieved frontcourt status
3) the team in team control must be last to touch in frontcourt
4) that same team must be first to touch after the ball has been in the backcourt

If any one of those elements is missing - no call - no exceptions.

There - that ought to hold us for another year.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Well said, Mark.

[bob jenkins]

To Mark's excellent reply, I'd just add that, "A player is not dribbling ... when he/she bats a rebound or pass away from other players who are attempting to get it. The player is not in control under these conditions." 4-15-4, Note 2.

With no control, no over-and-back (sic).

[Peter Devana]

PP
You got it right for the right reasons.
Pistol

[Dan_ref]

All right, all right, get a little sloppy, get lazy, make
one stupid mistake and everyone wants to jump on ya, fer
goodness sake. It's not like I said the Yankees would take
the series in 5 (well I did but that's another mistake, err
story). Anyway, I'll be in Grand Central Station around
5PM tonight, right by the info booth, if you want to
come by & give me another kick.

[mick]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
All right, all right, get a little sloppy, get lazy, make
one stupid mistake and everyone wants to jump on ya, fer
goodness sake. It's not like I said the Yankees would take
the series in 5 (well I did but that's another mistake, err
story). Anyway, I'll be in Grand Central Station around
5PM tonight, right by the info booth, if you want to
come by & give me another kick.

"We hold these truths to be self evident...."
Be safe.
mick