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Originally posted by Dan_ref
Hmmm, a bat is defined as intentionally striking the ball
with the hand. If you judged the touch as a deliberate act
then you do have team control. If it glanced off a players
hand then your call is correct.
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This is correct - NOT!
When a shot is taken, there is a loss of team control. During a period of no team control, there cannot be an over and back call (team control is one of the four elements of this violation). Team control is initially established when player control is established (and yes, you can lose player control and still have team control, but I'm referring to the initial establishment of team control when there has been none). Player control is defined as holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds. A bat is not holding the ball and a bat is not dribbling the ball. There is nothing in the definition of player control about anything being "deliberate".
And.....just so we don't have to go through the over and back rule again for the umpteenth time, the four elements are:
1) there must be team control
2) the ball must have achieved frontcourt status
3) the team in team control must be last to touch in frontcourt
4) that same team must be first to touch after the ball has been in the backcourt
If any one of those elements is missing - no call - no exceptions.
There - that ought to hold us for another year.