i have worked with guys that have -- in a varsity game by 10 minutes I EXPECT the books to be ready if for some reason they are not there better be a darn great reason. and i always double check with the visitors book if there are any discrepencies in the home book for the visitors because it could have been input error and i dont want to penalize before the game starts for that type of mistake.

my 10 second free throw violation is a LOOONG 10 seconds (maybe realistically 12-13) but thats just because i have a bit of a slower count -- and usually the first time this happens in a game -- which is like once every 3 years i will remind the kid to speed it up -- if he fails to he will get whistled.

this alludes to a different thread but after this game i wouldnt even have thought about it and if my partner brings it up i would only amuse him and just nod and say yes.

I would certainly hope that NO official ever would call a "T" if the book isn't done at the 10-minute mark. There's no rules backing to do so. The only requirement by rule is that the rosters and 5 starters must be <b>given</b> to the scorer by the 10-minute mark. They <b>DON'T</b> have to be entered into the scorebook by that time.

Methinks that you don't know the rule. Methinks you should read NFHS rule 10-1-1. Methinks that it might be a good idea to actually learn the rule before you think about calling a "T" for it.:)

Is the <b>fact</b> that there is <b>NO</b> rule requiring the books to be ready by the 10-minute mark a darn good reason?

its more a personal thing to get it ready because i dont want it coming down to the wire.

usually starters are scribbled on a seperate piece of paper that i go by that they use for announcements.

Why?:confused: That's the scorer's job. Let 'em do it. Once the teams hand in their rosters and designated starters, it's no longer a concern of the officials. If the scorer doesn't get the book ready by game time, all we can do is wait until it is ready anyway. There's no penalty....unless you want to find a new scorer.

i more and make sure that they at least have the same number of names or more than on the bench -- i believe in an ounce of prevention

What??? Becoming a good officials means you'll never work a kids game? I know some great officials that work ANY level of game, schedule permitting. They just love to be on the court.

There's no reason to expect that a person working a 4th grade game can't be a top notch official.

Agreed, I also know of "senior officials" who are at these games for other reasons than officiating. Maybe they happen to be running the league, maybe they happen to be scheduling officials, maybe they happen to be scouting officials at this level. Let's not jump to any conclusions based on our own limited experiences.

I probably should have explained. Us newbies are paired with senior officials (at least a few years of experience and usually they are also the area high school and JC officials).