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GoodwillRef Tue Jan 16, 2007 09:07am

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
I think it's a mistake to say "people" will all react the same way to anything.


I am willing to take the chance and let the coach know that I kicked the call.

Dan_ref Tue Jan 16, 2007 09:11am

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef
I am willing to take the chance and let the coach know that I kicked the call.

Good for you.

I'm not.

But at least we agree you're taking a chance.

GoodwillRef Tue Jan 16, 2007 09:14am

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Good for you.

I'm not.

But at least we agree you're taking a chance.


We can agree to disagree, I don't have a problem with that.

Raymond Tue Jan 16, 2007 09:16am

Goodwill, do you get your games through an assignor or are you hired directly by the schools?

GoodwillRef Tue Jan 16, 2007 09:18am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
Goodwill, do you get your games through an assignor or are you hired directly by the schools?


Both, I would also contact the assignor if this happen.

Dan_ref Tue Jan 16, 2007 09:19am

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef
We can agree to disagree, I don't have a problem with that.

But you said you're willing to take a chance.

That's the point, you are taking a chance if you email the coach and tell him you kicked the call.

GoodwillRef Tue Jan 16, 2007 09:21am

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
But you said you're willing to take a chance.

That's the point, you are taking a chance if you email the coach and tell him you kicked the call.


Why wouldn't you contact him? Are you afraid to admit you made a mistake, we all do?

Raymond Tue Jan 16, 2007 09:23am

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef
Both, I would also contact the assignor if this happen.

If this is a school you work through an assignor then I think you should ask your assignor if he/she wants you contacting coaches directly.

Scrapper1 Tue Jan 16, 2007 09:24am

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef
I am willing to take the chance and let the coach know that I kicked the call.

I am also willing to let the coach know that he was right. But not by initiating personal contact off of the basketball court. Let the assignor tell him, or tell him the next time you work his game. JMO.

Nevadaref Tue Jan 16, 2007 09:26am

My association does not want us contacting the coaches directly, nor are the coaches or ADs to contact us directly. The proper channel is to contact our board members and they relay the communication.

GoodwillRef Tue Jan 16, 2007 09:27am

I am fine with dropping the coach an email, if other don't want to do that I am fine with that also.

I am just saying what I would do, I am not making it a universal policy.

Dan_ref Tue Jan 16, 2007 09:34am

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef
Why wouldn't you contact him? Are you afraid to admit you made a mistake, we all do?

I already told you why. Because you can't predict his reaction. You are taking a chance that what you do will blow up. The upside is...what again? You admit to a mistake? And we group hug?

Nah, it just aint worth it.

OHBBREF Tue Jan 16, 2007 09:57am

Goodwill -
I have to vehemently disagree with your position.
1) I do not know what the rules are where you are located - we are not allowed to speak to the press or coaches regarding a call after a game.
I would add e-mail to the list. E-mailing would be giving fuel to what could be a bad situation. (what if that coach lost a big game by one point because of that call?) What that coach could do with that communication could cause you problems for years. Something in writing while hard to mis interpret and can be used against you forever!

2) Having a casual conversation with a coach at another time might be okay when you truely kicked it - but I believe in never giving out ammunition to anyone to take pot shots at me.

3) Letting the assignor know what happened is best - Let the assignor or league superviser do the talking it is their job - that is the way it is done at all upper levels they are experienced in doing these things let them do their job!

JRutledge Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:13am

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef
Why wouldn't you contact him? Are you afraid to admit you made a mistake, we all do?

It is not about being afraid of anything. All you have to do is tell this coach you kicked a call and before you know it he/she is sending insults and twisting your words. You see how quickly someone can misinterpret things here. If you send emails those emails can be sent out with evidence you sent them you might not accomplish what you wanted to.

You should keep all of your conversations with a school through the assignor are at the very least the AD and I would not initiate any conversation with a school about a call.

Peace

ChrisSportsFan Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:14am

Goodwill,

I recently had the exact same call and we did just what you did. All 3 partners agreed that it was only 1 freethrow and that's what we went with. Of course I looked it up before I went to bed that night and saw that I was wrong.

I hear exactly what everyone is saying about contacting the coach and they're mostly right. I think you best know that situation with that coach and especially how he reacted to that rule interp.

In my case, I called the coach and explained the correct rule and apologized. He said that in 12 years he has never had an official call him like I did. I suppose that means that there are alot of others in my area that agree with this board. However, this coach said he really respected my humbleness (or stupidity) for calling him. I also know that he has already called the assignor to request me for next year.

In my situation, I knew what type of personality I was dealing with and felt reasonably safe in calling him. BTW, he won by only 4 points.


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