Made the call...messed up the free throws...
 

Made an intentional call, basket went in, only awarded one free throw...Coach thought it should be two..Partner and i both agreed it was one. "I know it always two unless missed on a three pointer"

Should i email the coach and tell him we made the mistake so he knows in the future?

No, you should call whomever assigned you the game and let them know you kicked a rule.

Remember: Intentional foul=2 shots and the ball, even when the basket counts.

I wouldn't email him, but if you see him again on the court; I'd let him know.

Except when it's 3 shots and the ball....

You knew that.:)

Oops. :( ...

I agree.

I agree again.

Just curious, what would emailing him and letting the coach know that we kicked a rule hurt?

JMHO. I don't think we need to be communicating with coaches on a personal level concerning officiating. If we kick a rule or make some other kind of major mistake we should let our boss (assignor/commissioner/supervisor) know. I know I don't want coaches emailing or calling me concerning my officiating.

I see no harm in emailing him and letting him know that we are taking responsibility for our mistake. I believe this coach would respect you more if you sent him an email.

I think it sets a bad precedent. You'll have that coach emailing you every time he disagrees with a call or doesn't understand a ruling. I believe those communications best left to the powers that be. You also take the chance of the coach applying anything you tell him/her as the official stance of your board/association.

How do you know this?

IMO, if you admit a mistake people actually think you may have some good character traits. Good character is usually good for an official.

Then, by all means, go ahead and do it. Don't let the fact that nobody here agrees with you dissuade you one bit. :rolleyes:

Do you also believe in dragons, fairies, and Jurassic's sense of humor? :rolleyes:

Goodwill, do you get your games through an assignor or are you hired directly by the schools?

I think it's a mistake to say "people" will all react the same way to anything.

I am willing to take the chance and let the coach know that I kicked the call.

Good for you.

I'm not.

But at least we agree you're taking a chance.

We can agree to disagree, I don't have a problem with that.

Goodwill, do you get your games through an assignor or are you hired directly by the schools?

Both, I would also contact the assignor if this happen.

But you said you're willing to take a chance.

That's the point, you are taking a chance if you email the coach and tell him you kicked the call.

Why wouldn't you contact him? Are you afraid to admit you made a mistake, we all do?

If this is a school you work through an assignor then I think you should ask your assignor if he/she wants you contacting coaches directly.

I am also willing to let the coach know that he was right. But not by initiating personal contact off of the basketball court. Let the assignor tell him, or tell him the next time you work his game. JMO.

My association does not want us contacting the coaches directly, nor are the coaches or ADs to contact us directly. The proper channel is to contact our board members and they relay the communication.

I am fine with dropping the coach an email, if other don't want to do that I am fine with that also.

I am just saying what I would do, I am not making it a universal policy.

I already told you why. Because you can't predict his reaction. You are taking a chance that what you do will blow up. The upside is...what again? You admit to a mistake? And we group hug?

Nah, it just aint worth it.

Goodwill -
I have to vehemently disagree with your position.
1) I do not know what the rules are where you are located - we are not allowed to speak to the press or coaches regarding a call after a game.
I would add e-mail to the list. E-mailing would be giving fuel to what could be a bad situation. (what if that coach lost a big game by one point because of that call?) What that coach could do with that communication could cause you problems for years. Something in writing while hard to mis interpret and can be used against you forever!

2) Having a casual conversation with a coach at another time might be okay when you truely kicked it - but I believe in never giving out ammunition to anyone to take pot shots at me.

3) Letting the assignor know what happened is best - Let the assignor or league superviser do the talking it is their job - that is the way it is done at all upper levels they are experienced in doing these things let them do their job!

It is not about being afraid of anything. All you have to do is tell this coach you kicked a call and before you know it he/she is sending insults and twisting your words. You see how quickly someone can misinterpret things here. If you send emails those emails can be sent out with evidence you sent them you might not accomplish what you wanted to.

You should keep all of your conversations with a school through the assignor are at the very least the AD and I would not initiate any conversation with a school about a call.

Peace

Goodwill,

I recently had the exact same call and we did just what you did. All 3 partners agreed that it was only 1 freethrow and that's what we went with. Of course I looked it up before I went to bed that night and saw that I was wrong.

I hear exactly what everyone is saying about contacting the coach and they're mostly right. I think you best know that situation with that coach and especially how he reacted to that rule interp.

In my case, I called the coach and explained the correct rule and apologized. He said that in 12 years he has never had an official call him like I did. I suppose that means that there are alot of others in my area that agree with this board. However, this coach said he really respected my humbleness (or stupidity) for calling him. I also know that he has already called the assignor to request me for next year.

In my situation, I knew what type of personality I was dealing with and felt reasonably safe in calling him. BTW, he won by only 4 points.

Goodwill, from an assignor's viewpoint, please don't do that. No good will ever come out of it and there's a chance that <b>bad</b> will.

Let it die a natural death. Leave it at the ball game.

There's a gap here that I understand, having lived in six states.

In Wisconsin (where GoodwillRef lives), we frequently get assigned games by coaches and athletic directors (sometimes the coach is the athletic director, as well). Contacting a coach by email is not unheard of here.

When I lived in Tennessee, I'd never dream of contacting a school directly. It was unheard of.

Another regional difference, to be sure. That said, I wouldn't be emailing a coach to tell him we kicked one. I'd rather wait and tell him in person next time I saw him.

I started in that system and I still get games from ADs/schools/coaches in a couple of cases. I would never contact a coach through an email because it still can go very badly. Your email might be passed around to prove how incompetent you are. If you have a conversation with a coach at some event, that is a totally different story and more acceptable. It is not completely unusual to come in contact with coaches at other games or major tournaments or social events. I had a coach admit something to me during a Christmas Tournament this past December during one of those conversations. Email is just more permanent than a conversation. I would even be careful emailing an assignor because I have had this go bad as well. You do not want to get in a back and forth over something that may not have made much of a difference. If you kick a call it will not be the last time, so deal with it if you ask me.

Peace