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Old Thu Jan 11, 2007, 10:15am
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There's no such thing as an intentional flagrant personal foul or an intentional flagrant foul.

If it's anything, it's an unsporting technical foul. It's no matter that the ball is live. If a player curses an opponent while dribbling the ball, are you going to call a technical foul? I would hope so.

Here's a similiar case play, found under the Player Technical Foul rule.

10.3.7 SITUATION B: A1 has the ball out of bounds for a designated spot throw-in. B1 is putting great pressure on and the count is at four seconds when A1 throws the ball and it strikes B1's face. The ball rebounds from B1's face directly out of bounds.

RULING: The administering official will have to make a decision based upon a number of observations. Was the throw-in to B1's face purely accidental or was it a voluntary, planned act? Was the ball contact caused by the movement of the defender? Was the act of a an unsporting nature? The administering official must be aware that players often react negatively in situations where they are frustrated or are retaliating for something which happened earlier in the game.
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Old Thu Jan 11, 2007, 10:56am
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I had a similar situation in an Over-30 intramural championship. Had a player who had a reputation for being a little off kilter. A couple of times after getting rebounds he faked throwing the ball at the defender's face in order to alleviate defensive pressure. Well, in the 2nd half of the game he actually took the ball and bopped the defender on top of the head. I T'd him up for an Unsporting Act.
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Old Thu Jan 11, 2007, 11:27am
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[QUOTE=BktBallRef]There's no such thing as an intentional flagrant personal foul or an intentional flagrant foul.
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Rule 4: Definitions
Section 19: Foul - Article 4

A foul is an infraction of the rules which is charged and is penalized.

A flagrant foul may be a personal or technical foul of a violent or savage nature, or a technical noncontact foul which displays unacceptable conduct. It may or may not be intentional.
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Old Thu Jan 11, 2007, 11:37am
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Rule 4: Definitions
Section 19: Foul - Article 4

A foul is an infraction of the rules which is charged and is penalized.

A flagrant foul may be a personal or technical foul of a violent or savage nature, or a technical noncontact foul which displays unacceptable conduct. It may or may not be intentional.
You either have a flagrant technical foul or a flagrant personal foul. Yes, either can be intentional in nature, but "intentional" is not part of the formal name of either offense.
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Old Thu Jan 11, 2007, 12:58pm
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[QUOTE=iref4him]
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There's no such thing as an intentional flagrant personal foul or an intentional flagrant foul.
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Rule 4: Definitions
Section 19: Foul - Article 4

A foul is an infraction of the rules which is charged and is penalized.

A flagrant foul may be a personal or technical foul of a violent or savage nature, or a technical noncontact foul which displays unacceptable conduct. It may or may not be intentional.
IRef - The book is saying that the act, itself, may or may not be intentional, not that the flagrant foul may or may not be an Intentional Foul. - Slightly confusing wording.

Make sense?
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Old Thu Jan 11, 2007, 02:42pm
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IRef - The book is saying that the act, itself, may or may not be intentional, not that the flagrant foul may or may not be an Intentional Foul. - Slightly confusing wording.

Make sense?

Thanks for the clarification!!!
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