The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Wed Mar 16, 2005, 01:06am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 14
Coach tells the official by her bench, opposite where the throw in will take place, that her team is going to foul ASAP to stop the clock. (This was discussed by the coach in the media conference after the game.) Ball is inbounded to B2 near opposite side of court and A1 fouls B1 in front of the bench. ie, the ball was WAY away from the B2 player fouled. Rule 4-26 Art 6 example says that it is intentional if the player fouled is away from the ball and not directly involved in the play. BTW, Team A won the game and as my team was out of the tourney, I was just an interested observer wondering why it was called a personal and not an intentional personal. Any additional information about the rule which would explain this? (BTW, Team A is 2 ranked in the NCAA tourney and this was the semi finals of the conference tournament, which they won too. Great coach and great team - I'm just trying to understand what happened here.)
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Wed Mar 16, 2005, 01:49am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 15,003
It is the norm NOT to call these fouls at the end of the game merely to stop the clock and put the other team on the line intentional fouls.

Hopefully, the officials, the schools, and the NCAA governing body will make an effort to change this and start calling these fouls just what they are intentional personal fouls.

However, until there is a sea change we will continue to see this tactic employed near the end of games.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Wed Mar 16, 2005, 09:09am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 235
The play in question does not have to be an intentional foul. Different officials have different judgment. There are a lot of plays run to get players the ball and they are at half court. Why is this different? I see players fight threw screens and sometimes grab the player getting the screen to free them. I would not call those players not involved in the play.
__________________
Treat everyone as you would like to be treated.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Wed Mar 16, 2005, 11:35am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Just north of hell
Posts: 9,250
Send a message via AIM to Dan_ref
Quote:
Originally posted by Gator
Coach tells the official by her bench, opposite where the throw in will take place, that her team is going to foul ASAP to stop the clock. (This was discussed by the coach in the media conference after the game.) Ball is inbounded to B2 near opposite side of court and A1 fouls B1 in front of the bench. ie, the ball was WAY away from the B2 player fouled. Rule 4-26 Art 6 example says that it is intentional if the player fouled is away from the ball and not directly involved in the play. BTW, Team A won the game and as my team was out of the tourney, I was just an interested observer wondering why it was called a personal and not an intentional personal. Any additional information about the rule which would explain this? (BTW, Team A is 2 ranked in the NCAA tourney and this was the semi finals of the conference tournament, which they won too. Great coach and great team - I'm just trying to understand what happened here.)
The ncaa has the concept of a strategic foul near the end of the game, so there's lots of room for judgement on these, as opposed to what the fed rules would have us do.

OTOH, there's also an emphasis to call a foul on this play (foul away from the ball) if the foul is *not* a legitimate attempt to play the ball or man. It very well could be the official felt the player was making a legitimate attempt, of course it could be he took the easier way out.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:45pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1