Two men down!

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Bingo! We have a winner. If one player has the ball, there should be a call.

You are wise beyond your years.

Thank you. I'm not as Jurassic as you, but I have the third lower registration number in our local association. Unfortunately not on court any more (Achilles' tendon surrendered).

You must be an Inter-Milan fan.

NO!!!

[mick]

Originally Posted by eg-italy

I've seen more than two players go down and officials calling nothing.

That "rule" holds primarily in block-charge situations: when both players fall down, a foul has occurred (in most cases): someone is responsible for the contact an there is clearly a disadvantage for the other one.

Ciao

Last night I had two guys go down and no-called it.

Dribbler, in the paint, cut too close to a stationary defender (not legally guarding, but stationary and facing left-front shoulder of dribbler) and got his left foot tangled up with the defender's left foot.

Both went down. Ball went out of bounds.
The defender was good; I could not bail out the dribbler.

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by mick

Last night I had two guys go down and no-called it.

Dribbler, in the paint, cut too close to a stationary defender (not legally guarding, but stationary and facing left-front shoulder of dribbler) and got his left foot tangled up with the defender's left foot.

Both went down. Ball went out of bounds.
The defender was good; I could not bail out the dribbler.

I said "in most cases"! This case seems either foul on the offense or no call, but it is not a proper block-charge situation.

Ciao

[mick]

Quote:

Originally Posted by mick
Last night I had two guys go down and no-called it.

Dribbler, in the paint, cut too close to a stationary defender (not legally guarding, but stationary and facing left-front shoulder of dribbler) and got his left foot tangled up with the defender's left foot.

Both went down. Ball went out of bounds.
The defender was good; I could not bail out the dribbler.

Originally Posted by eg-italy

I said "in most cases"! This case seems either foul on the offense or no call, but it is not a proper block-charge situation.

Ciao

Yes, eg-italy, no argument here.
I know you said most cases.
Just thouight I'd offer a least one.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Scatmaster

Situation 1. Third year official here, have a question for the more experianced. Had a situation last night B-J.V. I am trail, foul count A-9, B-2 (not that that matters, just for information) A-1 brings ball over half court, attempts pass to a-2 to his left, b-2 steps in and knocks ball into back court. a-1 and b-1 both take off after loose ball. While chasing ball down both players fall to the floor (feet got tangled, no contact between players torso or arms) a-2 recovers ball and brings ball into front court and runs play.

Without seeing the play, agree with Grail. Let it go; good no-call.

Originally Posted by Scatmaster

Situation 2. A-1 dribbles over half court, calls play, Carries ball (I think he thought about a baseball pass to a man cutting back door then changed his mind) I call the violation, we go the other way.

These are times that I might look off-ball for a split second. I then make a point to quietly remind him not to "palm the basketball while dribbling".

Originally Posted by Some V Official

At half time: Sit. 1. one of the varsity officials came into locker room and asked why i hadn't called a foul when the two men went down. I told him because neither man was in an advantageous position, and I didn't deem any of the contact to be anything other than incidental. He said I was wrong, "anytime that two men go down, your calling something".

Disagree, as per the rule book's stance.

Originally Posted by Some V Official

Situation 2. Same varsity official said "that was a proper carry call but why would you call it? It's a game stopper, what advantage was gained by him carring the ball out top?"

Agree. I try to avoid calling these where possible; talk the player out of doing it again. I've even told a coach that A1 is doing this act. They are ~ 100% thankful. If s/he persists in this action, I'd call it. Call the obvious. Prevent where possible.

Originally Posted by Scatmaster

I didn't respond to his critical views of my officiating, I thanked him for his input, but didn't necessarily agree with him. Whats your thoughts?

You handled your conversation with him well, since you're new compared to him. Be a sponge, listen to his advice, and see how it fits into your game.