Over and Back - Please help on this hard to find rule

[justjames]

Team A passes the ball into the front court to Player 1. Player 2 jumps from the backcourt toward the frontcourt and is in mid air when he receives a pass from Player 1 (who has both feet and the ball established in the frontcourt). Player 2 has not established himself in the frontcourt at all. Would this be considered a backcourt violation??? And, if so, where can I find this in the official rules?

This is in a High School setting. Thanks for your help!

[lorenj]

Originally Posted by justjames

Team A passes the ball into the front court to Player 1. Player 2 jumps from the backcourt toward the frontcourt and is in mid air when he receives a pass from Player 1 (who has both feet and the ball established in the frontcourt). Player 2 has not established himself in the frontcourt at all. Would this be considered a backcourt violation??? And, if so, where can I find this in the official rules?

This is in a High School setting. Thanks for your help!

Yes, this is a backcourt violation. The location of a player who is airborne is determined by where he/she was last in contact with the floor (rule 4-35-3). Since A2 was last in contact with the floor in the backcourt, he was still in the backcourt when he caught the pass.

[Rusty Gilbert]

What he said.

An airborne player "is" where he "was" when he last touched the floor.

[justjames]

Can you tell me where I can find this rule?

Thank!

[BEAREF]

Originally Posted by justjames

Can you tell me where I can find this rule?

Thank!

page 37 of the rules book!

[Rusty Gilbert]

lorenj cited National Federation of High Schools basketball rule 4-35-3, which reads:

The location of an airborne player with reference to the three factors of Article 1 is the same as at the time such player was last in contact with the floor or an extension of the floor, such as a bleacher.

The Article 1 reference (4-35-1) reads:

The location of a player or nonplayer is determined by where the player is touching the floor as far as being:
a. Inbounds or out of bounds.
b. In the frontcourt or backcourt.
c. Outside (behind/beyond) or inside the three-point field-goal line.

[Johnny Ringo]

What about the opposite: A1 in the BC and passes towards FC where A2 (who had FC status) catches ball in the air and lands with one foot on the division line and the other in FC ...

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

What about the opposite: A1 in the BC and passes towards FC where A2 (who had FC status) catches ball in the air and lands with one foot on the division line and the other in FC ...

Johnny,
Does Team A have team control?
What status (fc or bc) did A2 have when he jumped?
So what status does the ball have once he touches it?
Is the division line in the fc or the bc?
When A2 lands and touches the division line, what status does he and thus the ball now have?

Now answer your own question. Do you have a violation here?

[drinkeii]

Isn't this one of the exceptions to the backcourt violation - written for inbounds passes? I can't remember the rule reference - but I do remember there are specific exceptions, and I thought that situation was one of them.

Originally Posted by Rusty Gilbert

lorenj cited National Federation of High Schools basketball rule 4-35-3, which reads:

The location of an airborne player with reference to the three factors of Article 1 is the same as at the time such player was last in contact with the floor or an extension of the floor, such as a bleacher.

The Article 1 reference (4-35-1) reads:

The location of a player or nonplayer is determined by where the player is touching the floor as far as being:
a. Inbounds or out of bounds.
b. In the frontcourt or backcourt.
c. Outside (behind/beyond) or inside the three-point field-goal line.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by justjames

Team A passes the ball into the front court to Player 1. Player 2 jumps from the backcourt toward the frontcourt and is in mid air when he receives a pass from Player 1 (who has both feet and the ball established in the frontcourt). Player 2 has not established himself in the frontcourt at all. Would this be considered a backcourt violation??? And, if so, where can I find this in the official rules?

This is in a High School setting. Thanks for your help!

Violation, yes. Rule cited above. Remember: rainmaker says that "you are where you were until you get where you're going." He was last in the backcourt, so that is where he stays until he's in the frontcourt.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by drinkeii

Isn't this one of the exceptions to the backcourt violation - written for inbounds passes? I can't remember the rule reference - but I do remember there are specific exceptions, and I thought that situation was one of them.

The exceptions only apply to throw-ins, jump balls and defensive steals, Iow, they're not relevant to the situation being discussed above.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Remember: rainmaker says that "you are where you were until you get where you're going."

Remember: When I said that, it was a quote from someone else. I certainly don't want credit for making it up.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by drinkeii

Isn't this one of the exceptions to the backcourt violation - written for inbounds passes? I can't remember the rule reference - but I do remember there are specific exceptions, and I thought that situation was one of them.

9-9-3
Exceptions occur when there is no team control.
Jump ball, throw-in and defensive player (intercepting pass).
Exception only applys to the player catching the ball while both feet are not touching the floor.
I include this Rule in all my pregame discussion.

[drinkeii]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The exceptions only apply to throw-ins, jump balls and defensive steals, Iow, they're not relevant to the situation being discussed above.

Ah ok - I was reading it as a throw-in, which, upon rereading, it was not. This is simply a player with the ball in the frontcourt passing a ball to a player who has jumped out of the backcourt, but has not landed in the frontcourt yet. Of course - violation.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Remember: When I said that, it was a quote from someone else. I certainly don't want credit for making it up.

Oh, sorry. See what time does to memory.