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Mark Dexter Tue Jan 09, 2007 01:54pm
If you're absolutely sure of it (and you were) and you saw it, call the backcourt violation. As the trail official, I'll take any help I can get from the C with regards to the ball being tipped or not tipped, even if this means the C coming up to me after I call a violation and saying it shouldn't be one.

Also, I agree fully with Rut about the C helping out on a halfcourt line trap on the side opposite from the T. This is a great pre-game topic, as your crew can discuss help situations and your general philosophies about rotation.

Rich Tue Jan 09, 2007 01:58pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge
If the ball started in your primary and all the action with the ball happen in your primary, the C better make the call when it is obvious. It would be very hard pressed for a T to make a call they did not see or did not know why something happen. The T has this as their primary, but that does not mean that the C never can make this call.

Another situation that would be common for the C to make a call is when the ball is near half court on a press or trap, if the ball handler steps on the line or near the line (on the C's side especially), I do not expect the T to look through bodies and make this call.

Peace
I've had a ball tipped by B into the backcourt on my side and I'll give a "tipped ball" signal to my T partner, who knows me well enough to look in my direction in this situation.

When it comes to lines, we all have more to look at than that -- so someone with definite knowledge is always welcome.

truerookie Tue Jan 09, 2007 01:58pm
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Originally Posted by zebraman
I have no problem with you making this call in your primary. The T should have just left it alone.

If I am visualizing this correctly (and there was at least 2 more players on your side of the floor), the lead should have been in the process of rotating to give you help on the ball side anyway (which would have meant that you were becoming the T and your overbearing T should have been becoming the C anyway).
Z, totally agree with what you said. There is a whole lot of ball watching going on.;) A rotation should have be in the process by the lead which in turn would have prevented this scenerio.:cool:

Raymond Tue Jan 09, 2007 01:59pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by zebraman
I have no problem with you making this call in your primary. The T should have just left it alone.

If I am visualizing this correctly (and there was at least 2 more players on your side of the floor), the lead should have been in the process of rotating to give you help on the ball side anyway (which would have meant that you were becoming the T and your overbearing T should have been becoming the C anyway).
You beat me to it z-man.

Rich Tue Jan 09, 2007 02:05pm
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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef
JRut,

This is a great point, the "C" can't run away when we have trap at the division line.
And actually, this is where the C needs to force a rotation.

JRutledge Tue Jan 09, 2007 02:16pm
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Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser
And actually, this is where the C needs to force a rotation.
You also have to have a Lead Official that recognizes a trap and rotates. That is the problem with a C forcing a rotation. All officials have to adjust.

Peace

jeffpea Tue Jan 09, 2007 02:39pm
In the original situation, ask the T - "is your goal to get the call right? or is your goal to only have the covering official make the call?"

The whole reason why officials exist is to correctly apply and administer the rules of the game.......which rule in the rulebook prevents an official from correctly calling this situation backcourt?

Rich Tue Jan 09, 2007 02:47pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge
You also have to have a Lead Official that recognizes a trap and rotates. That is the problem with a C forcing a rotation. All officials have to adjust.

Peace
They always adjust, sooner or later ;)

JRutledge Tue Jan 09, 2007 03:19pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser
They always adjust, sooner or later ;)
That depends on who you work with. The one way to solve this problem is to talk about this in pre-game. Then you can at least talk about this issue.

Peace


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